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Brexit Debacle: Labour Party to Split Today

by Oui Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:14:12 AM EST

A Breaking News story ...

Several Labour MPs about to resign, say party sources | BBC News - 14 min ago |

A small group of MPs look set to announce their resignations from Labour, senior party sources have said.

At least four backbenchers who disagree with the Labour leadership over its handling of Brexit and anti-Semitism are thought likely to break away.

They are expected to announce their departure at an event later on Monday morning.

Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson urged those thinking of quitting to "stay and fight their corner".  

A move towards right-wing, conservative politics in the UK ...

More to follow!


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:17:48 AM EST
Daily Mash
A party that sits between the Conservatives and Labour on the political spectrum would be a strange hybrid of the worse parts of both of them, it has been confirmed.

Amid concerns that Labour are all scary Communists and the Tories have been irretrievably hijacked by hardline Brexiteer mentalists, it is believed that a wishy-washy in-between party who are not called the Liberal Democrats could attract many voters.

Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies said: "While the extreme end of any party is weird, the alternative is the politically-anaemic centre ground where no one has any strongly-held convictions.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:26:18 AM EST
New centrist party to unite all the shittest bits of UK politics

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 03:57:26 PM EST
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The fun part is that they've set themselves up as a company, not as a charity, so they can bypass Electoral Commission rules and hide their funding sources.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 04:18:43 PM EST
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Don't need a deep search ... I would expect something similar to Geert Wilders' one man political party.

Key words | anti-semitism | left-wing terror | Fear Inc | Holocaust |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 04:33:07 PM EST
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Does this mean that the Labour right is giving up on getting rid of Corbyn?
by fjallstrom on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 04:26:15 PM EST
Well, seven of them.
Also, first apology:
by generic on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 04:54:17 PM EST
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While the german Tagesschau has the story on the frontpage as 'Labours crisis grows', this article on TribuneMag gives us continentals a different perspective:

Why 7 labour MPs throw a tantrum

One year to go !

by pi (etrib@opsec.eu) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 04:57:54 PM EST
Yesterday's Ma

Good article and that is exactly how I feel about the "split". If the answer is Mike Gapes, you're asking all the wrong questions.

A bunch of self-appointed generals in search of an army. They'll be media darlings all the way to the next election at which EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. WILL. LOSE.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 06:30:34 PM EST
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by Oui on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 09:05:36 PM EST
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Labour will be stronger without them, sometimes criticism becomes a cancer and you have to cut it out. Real Labour MPs will replace them and be welcome.

These people have hated everything Corbyn has done and, even tho' brexit is a Tory initiative and a Tory policy, they have NEVER criticised the Tories. Indeed, this split is intended to make it easier for the tories to remain in charge.

Can't wait for Owen Smith and Stephen Kinnock to bugger off and join them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 06:35:15 PM EST
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Highlighted from article above ...

But Umunna was created in that New Labour laboratory. Elected in 2010, I first noticed his presence in 2011 when he hosted a Fabian Society reception for new MPs called "Thinkers and Doers". In its communications, Umunna offered to meet supporters in a "very informal drinks reception" which was "made possible by the support of A4e." The big party was paid for by workfare corporation A4e, which was entirely dependent on huge government contracts, and disappeared four years later amid allegations of fraud, corruption and cheating claimants.  

Umunna then became one of the Labour Shadow Ministers who relied on accounting multinational - and friend of tax-dodgers - PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) to supply them with research assistance. PwC were one of the main architects of PFI, and have been an important advocate in NHS privatisation. Umunna's "assistance" from the company amounted to almost £100,000.

Fabian Society: Power and principle: Labour as a government-in-waiting
The Fabian Society: a brief history | The Guardian - Aug. 2001 |

Influencing opinion

In a further attempt to influence the opposition, Shai Masot said that he was involved with the youth arm of the Fabian Society, an influential Labour Party think-tank, and that he once "took a group of Fabians to Israel".

My earlier dairies ...

Israel Lobby is Leading in Attack on Corbyn
War On BDS, Progressive Left Under Attack

From Tikun Olam and America ...

Israel Lobby Seeks to Muzzle Ilhan Omar, Sabotage Democratic Resurgence

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 08:54:50 PM EST
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Yes, Tagesschau is exactly wrong (Unglaublich!).  Having the likes of these leave your party is rather like having your bumming brother-in-law finally get a job and move out of your house.  It's the opposite of a problem.
by rifek on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 04:13:52 PM EST
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They are registered as a company rather than as a political party. Which means that their sources of income are opaque.

Howevr, it has been noted that their website is registered in Panama

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 08:06:08 PM EST
reading the reactions on the Labour blogs this is already being relegated to tomorrow's chip wrappers.

Nobody thinks it's gonna amount to much, nobody thinks any of the leavers, nnounced or possible, are people of consequence. All of them are has-beens or never-gonna-bees, even Umunna is more a legend in his own mind than reality.

Mostly it's "Small earthquake in Westminster; A nation yawns!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 18th, 2019 at 08:36:58 PM EST
Does this mean that the Labour party is getting rid of its racists?
The MP Angela Smith has apologised for having "misspoke" after she appeared to refer to people from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds as having a "funny tinge".
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 09:09:08 AM EST

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Uphill battle?

'Good riddance': Penistone locals have their say on Angela Smith resignation

Following Smith's announcement, the local party said the MP should "take the honourable path" and resign her seat to trigger a byelection, allowing Labour "to move on and challenge her at the ballot box".


Smith has also campaigned prominently for a second EU referendum, pushing Corbyn to lead on a people's vote on Brexit, potentially putting her at odds with many of her constituents, of whom 61% are estimated to have voted to leave the EU.

Of the seven who quit Labour, Smith has the slimmest electoral majority. Barely 1,300 votes separated her from her Tory rival in 2017, when she lost a 6,723-strong majority following a big blue surge.

Back in the British Legion Club, all the talk was of an urgent byelection. "If not, then for the next three years people who voted Labour have got an independent MP," said Drewry. "That's not right, that's not democracy."

"I agree," said Drewry's snooker partner, John Clews, a 70-year-old former miner. "I do vote Labour but I'm not a great lover of Jeremy Corbyn. Since she's been MP, I've never voted for her. Get someone else in and I will vote Labour, no problem."

Penistone and Stocksbridge (UK Parliament constituency)
Vote of no confidence passed in Penistone and Stocksbridge MP Angela Smith | Yorkshire Post - Nov. 2018 |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 11:44:13 AM EST
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It's funny, people like her always say, "That's not who I am," but it's their mouths the shit keeps pouring out of.
by rifek on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 04:20:22 PM EST
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All That is Solid - Is The Independent Group a Wind-Up?

Is The Independent Group a wind up? We'll pass over Luciana Berger fluffing her lines and introducing herself as the Labour MP for Liverpool Wavertree at the launch. TIG is incorporated as a private company to get around donation reporting rules for political parties. This move, which is without precedent as far as the party affiliation of sitting parliamentarians is concerned, is about preventing scrutiny of their finances. And this is one eschewed even by Farage's new party, an outfit and a project that has serious questions to answer about past finances. Not the best way then to break the mould of the old politics.

Fancy another? TIG is owned (sorry, "supported") by a shell company going by the name of Gemini A (website registered in Panama [edit: see comments]). Looks suspect, yes? It gets better. Not only is the business address a Wetherspoon's in Altrincham, a curious choice for an explicitly anti-Brexit "party", said pub trades under The Unicorn. You couldn't make it up.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 01:27:58 PM EST
The "website registered in Panama" is a glorious faux-pas.

In reality the site is registered through a domain registrar called Namecheap which offers an anonymisation service called Whoisguard.

When you look up a anonymised domain, you get a "REDACTED" next to all the usual contact details. The only detail that's visible is Whoisguard's own country registration, which happens to be Panama.

I know this because I have domains registered with Namecheap and protected with Whoisguard to avoid spam. They all appear to be registered in Panama too, even though they were all bought and registered in the UK. (I certainly don't have any off-shore accounts - in Panama or elsewhere.)

This makes no difference politically, because it's just one more mistake that helped made the launch of the UK's Independent Group (er - UKIP? surely not...) so wonderfully inept and tone-deaf. Someone should have noticed the Panama connection and realised it wasn't a good look for a breakaway not-a-party-really-honest to have.

It's amateurish, incompetent, and frankly a bit stupid -  which bodes well for the future of the brave new "centrist" faction.

The timing suggests there's an election on the way, and this is a rather desperate spoiler to keep Labour out of power.

It's interesting the lead is antisemitism. Realistically most voters don't think that's a particularly pressing issue. And to Labour supporters the story is ridiculously implausible and comically transparent as a pretext for bullying Corbyn and the rest of the party.

The so-called centrists could have led with Brexit, but chose not to. I think anyone expecting them to come out unequivocally against Brexit is going to be very disappointed.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:01:04 AM EST
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If this is their best effort, a decent forensic accountant will have no trouble following the money.
by rifek on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 04:24:13 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Feb 20th, 2019 at 01:50:43 PM EST
And 3 Tories have joined them, but nobody in the media will call it a split. Because ....reasons.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Feb 20th, 2019 at 10:23:45 PM EST
The Tories have already split, really split, but admitting it would be messy for one and all, so denial is just a big river in Africa.
by rifek on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 04:28:52 PM EST
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by generic on Thu Feb 21st, 2019 at 07:22:37 AM EST
Now he's decided that keeping the tories in power is absolutely tickey boo

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 at 08:05:59 PM EST
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Well, in all honesty if I were in Labour leadership, I'd be striving to keep the Tories in power so they could soak up the full glory of Brexit.
by rifek on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 04:32:02 PM EST
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by generic on Sun Feb 24th, 2019 at 10:25:23 AM EST
that was then, but this is between her and her very lucrative expenses claims

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Feb 24th, 2019 at 05:42:44 PM EST
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by generic on Tue Feb 26th, 2019 at 05:08:19 PM EST
"I'm in charge!"
 PM May

Just as Greece lacked skills in negotiation tactics with EU HQ in Brussels. Will the EU throw a buoy?

Decision time in Westminster ...

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Feb 26th, 2019 at 05:41:09 PM EST
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Cox to the rescue ...

Barnier slapping his knees, dying laughing so hard ...

Geoffrey Cox is facing a backlash in Brussels and Dublin after claiming the Irish backstop posed a risk to the human rights of people in Northern Ireland.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 at 10:27:52 PM EST

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