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Brexit Fun: The John Bercow Show

by Oui Mon Mar 18th, 2019 at 06:31:52 PM EST

Throw away May's blue print - back to the drawing board ...

Constitutional chaos after third vote on Brexit deal blocked | The Guardian |

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Brexit: John Bercow rules out third meaningful vote on same deal  | The Guardian |

The House of Commons Speaker has thwarted any attempt by Theresa May to bring back a third meaningful vote to parliament, unless there has been substantial change to the Brexit deal.

In a shock move likely to infuriate the prime minister, John Bercow suggested he believed such a fundamental change would involve a renegotiation at EU level, rather than clarification of the legal advice written by the attorney general, something that had been suggested this week.

Downing Street was blindsided by the announcement and unable to give a response at its regular afternoon briefing for journalists. "The speaker did not forewarn us of the content of his statement or the fact that he was making one," May's spokeswoman said.

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The view from Scotland
That seems to be that, then, unless the Government complies, and in a way it serves Theresa May right after her threat to invoke Henry VIII powers to push through Brexit. Remember those? Powers brought in by an English king in 1539 to allow Government by decree and to by-pass Parliamentary procedures?

Here's a query to all Scots: isn't it just grand that English rules made a century and more before the Act of Union are being used to determine Scotland's future?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Mar 19th, 2019 at 06:46:15 AM EST
Another Theresa May Faceplant as the Brexit Clock Ticks: Speaker Bercow Nixes Another Meaningful Vote in Current Session [Updated] | naked capitalism
We'll get to more specific observations below, but the two big takeaways are:

    1. On multiple levels, this blowup was a complete failure of planning by the Government. It was hardly a surprise that Bercow could nix a vote. Yet the Government failed to investigate the matter, pre-sound Bercow, and have contingency plans ready if the Speaker said no.

    2. This opinion by Bercow isn't (or didn't have to be) the disaster it is portrayed as being. But the complete lack of imagination and preparation not only leaves May floundering, but has thrown a big monkey wrench into the planning the EU was no doubt trying to undertake. The spectacle of more floundering, plus having to consider even more options, can't help but further sour the already poor dynamics between Brussels and London. And do not forget, even when the objective stakes are high, interpersonal factors matter and regularly determine outcomes (even though the principals will tell themselves otherwise).

Still hard to see how that even matters. Where were the votes supposed to come from on the third try?

by generic on Tue Mar 19th, 2019 at 03:51:21 PM EST
Where were the votes supposed to come from on the third try?

The entire Brexit Project has been run on lies, bullshit, and Magick thinking.

No reason for them to stop now.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 19th, 2019 at 06:34:04 PM EST
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euractiv releases trial balloons for EU Council
EU summit could avoid final call on Brexit extension

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 04:05:45 PM EST
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To the extent the EU was willing to extend the deadline to provide for a meaningful attempt at resolving the issues, it has to be gone now.  All they can see is too many free-spinning wheels not actually turning anthing in the Rube Goldberg machine that is the UK government.
by rifek on Tue Mar 19th, 2019 at 09:08:00 PM EST
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The good reason for an extension is that parliament keeps voting down the agreement and they need to keep voting for a bit until it passes.

by generic on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 12:47:00 PM EST

by generic on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 01:32:03 PM EST
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In the good olde days before 1604, members of Parliament were locked into the chamber with nothing but dry crusts and ditchwater until they came up with the vote wished for by the executive.

Quite right too. As Andrea Leadsom says, some parliamentarians are trying to defeat "the will of the people". Sock it to them, Andrea.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 03:01:08 PM EST
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Commons voted against delaying Brexit six days ago by 413 to 202.  The motion, I am told, is not legally binding but it give the EU an 'out' if they deny the extension.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 03:51:28 PM EST
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Wait, what?

Brexit: British MPs vote by 413-202 margin for Theresa May to ask EU to delay UK's exit

Legislators in Britain's House of Commons on Thursday voted 413 to 202 for Prime Minister Theresa May to ask the European Union to delay the United Kingdom's exit from the bloc. Britain is supposed to exit the European Union on March 29, but its MPs have not accepted a deal negotiated between May and the bloc.
by generic on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 07:06:50 PM EST
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Because the Magic Brexit Pixie Dust is going to kick in any second now and fix everything.
by rifek on Thu Mar 21st, 2019 at 06:39:56 PM EST
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May sent an extension request today.

Mr Tusk said he believed all 27 other EU members, who must sign off on the extension, would agree but it depended on a "positive" vote in the House of Commons.

Since the House just voted to not extend Brexit we're in the last stages of No Deal Exit.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 08:29:53 PM EST

by generic on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 08:41:55 PM EST
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Maybe ...

Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.

Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.

I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.

Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone!



She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 08:48:10 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 08:49:46 PM EST
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I first read that as a delay until the year 2030.

Would make as much sense as what is actually happening.

by fjallstrom on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 09:54:39 PM EST
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Dip-a-loon has created a domestic political crisis to go with the foreign politico-economic crisis of Brexit.

The PM's conduct puts parliament's long-term vitality in peril

The constitutional wreckage of her approach is all around us. Her refusal to allow an inch of compromise from her vision means the executive and legislature are daggers drawn. Precedent is going down the drain. Collective responsibility has gone.

The speaker is implicated because of her insistence on bringing the same thing back again and again and showing no regard or even awareness of the precedent which should prevent it.

MPs are considering transforming the standing orders of the Commons to seize control of the order paper. Our constitution is being rewritten before our eyes - and no one really wants it.



She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Mar 20th, 2019 at 08:44:04 PM EST
Independent
Jeremy Corbyn has refused to rule out revoking Article 50 as a last resort in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Mar 21st, 2019 at 01:37:35 PM EST

EU agrees to delay Brexit until 22 May if deal is passed, or to 12 April if it isn't | The Guardian |

May's appeal falls flat as EU seizes control of Brexit date

EU leaders moved to seize control of Britain's exit date from the bloc after an unconvincing appeal by Theresa May on Thursday for a three-month Brexit delay. In an address to the leaders described by one source as " 90 minutes of nothing", the prime minister failed to persuade leaders that she had a plan to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Mar 21st, 2019 at 11:18:43 PM EST
Richard Harrington: This evening I wrote to the PM to offer her my resignation

LIVE: Three ministers resign as Commons takes control of Brexit process | Sky News |



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:50:21 PM EST
I click through the bullet point:"EU warns no-deal on 12 April 'increasingly likely'"

Get this.

Theresa May tells MPs she 'cannot commit' to alternate Brexit strategy
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Theresa May has admitted there is still not enough support to bring back her Brexit deal for a third vote in the House of Commons - but failed to commit to chasing an alternative strategy.
[...]
The UK will now leave the bloc on 22 May, although this is conditional on parliament finally approving Mrs May's Brexit deal by the end of this week.

Without MPs agreeing to the prime minister's withdrawal agreement, the Brexit date will instead come sooner on 12 April.

totally buried the lede

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:04:02 PM EST
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