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June Thread

by Bjinse Tue May 28th, 2019 at 09:51:35 AM EST

The lovely conversation that left me to ponder was the long thread I had with June


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Flyby greetings from Sardinia. Hope everyone is well.
by Bjinse on Tue May 28th, 2019 at 09:54:03 AM EST
Great thanks! Holiday snaps?

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 09:33:30 AM EST
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Fox
As the biblical story goes, Noah's Ark saved Noah, his family and two of each of the world's animals from 40 days and 40 nights of torrential rain.

Now the owners of the life-size replica of Noah's Ark, which is on display in Kentucky, are suing their insurers over, of all things, rain damage.

No idea what happened to the animals.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue May 28th, 2019 at 03:50:50 PM EST
They'll be running the State.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 28th, 2019 at 05:48:19 PM EST
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I wonder if Noah had to deal with obnoxious local zoning codes and insurance companies.

N.b., it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, but they stayed on the Ark for a year.

by asdf on Sun Jun 9th, 2019 at 06:37:03 PM EST
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It took that long for the waters to subside. But, then I have always wondered why the oceans don't subside. If water was deep enough to cover Mt. Ararat where could it go?


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 04:30:46 AM EST
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Down the plughole?

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 08:50:06 AM EST
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Off the edge of the flat world...

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 02:16:29 PM EST
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How dare you challenge the great and powerful Oz...er...excuse me...Ghod!
by rifek on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 06:36:08 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri May 31st, 2019 at 04:11:22 AM EST
that's a very long way round saying he's a dishonest right wing stooge

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 02:36:26 PM EST
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Why do you hate science?

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 02:53:44 PM EST
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cos it's so damn repeatable, 's boring

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 07:05:15 PM EST
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asif feminism is more romantic
by das monde on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 07:57:07 PM EST
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cue jams from your playlist, pls

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 08:05:35 PM EST
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by das monde on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 05:36:04 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 10:34:15 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 01:59:49 AM EST
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by das monde on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 06:03:44 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 10:45:04 PM EST
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Well actually, it is. I guess you wouldn't know. Self-selecting samples, confirmation bias, all that.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 12:09:21 PM EST
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Bias, nasty, romantic?

But seriously

by das monde on Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 at 05:34:10 PM EST
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Single issue parties? They only work in extremely rare cases, like the brexit thing.

But if you look at western Europe, probably most people voted for feminist parties. These days, every party left of centre has aggressively feminist policies, and most of the centrist and centre right parties at least pay lip service. Even the RN in France is nominally feminist.

Which leaves you aligned with Salvini, Orban, and the PiS.

But we already knew that.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Jun 4th, 2019 at 08:18:23 AM EST
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The question is who leading whom. If Trump, Le Pen, Salvini are the only ones who would not absolutely believe feminists, we might see them in a disproportionate position, and I am gonna be sad then. The lapdog centrists are not doing great, are they?
by das monde on Tue Jun 4th, 2019 at 10:39:13 AM EST
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Ah yes. Feminism causes fascism. Silly me, I had forgotten.
Also, women cause rape; pacifists cause war; pretty children turn priests into paedophiles, etc.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Jun 4th, 2019 at 03:48:46 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jun 4th, 2019 at 05:00:15 PM EST
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Pinker treats the left as hysterically overstating its case, of calling everybody racists and despoilers, even as he brands them Nazis and Stalinists.
Discerning non-hysterical non-overstating is not possible in this non-discussion.
by das monde on Tue Jun 4th, 2019 at 06:05:54 PM EST
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I have never been interested in discussing the opinions of celebrities anyway : Panker is a winker (he wrote an interesting book about linguistics twenty years ago, but doesn't seem to have added to the sum of human knowledge since then)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 5th, 2019 at 10:09:52 AM EST
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You mean Panker is a wanker.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jun 30th, 2019 at 03:11:25 AM EST
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The republican party in the US is entirely defined by abortion.
by asdf on Sun Jun 9th, 2019 at 06:38:11 PM EST
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Oh no, abortion is just a part of their overall repression of women, which in turn is just a part of their overall repression of anyone who isn't a rich, white, heterosexual male.
by rifek on Sun Jun 16th, 2019 at 01:01:21 PM EST
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I would like to agree with your comment, but my experience is that the vehement anger that comes in any discussion about abortion rises a long way beyond general-purpose misogyny or support for the 1%. People here have been taught that abortion is murder, and that millions of children are murdered by abortionists every year, and that it is comparable or worse than the Germans and Russians in the 1940s.

Given that perception, it is easy to see why some people are so extreme on this issue, and the GOP is heavily controlled by such thinking.

And it is easy to see why it is difficult for the democrats to peel the Roman Catholics away from the GOP.

by asdf on Fri Jun 28th, 2019 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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it looks like Pinker is picking his examples to fit the theory

Eurotrib, get your debunkings seven years earlier. How time flies.

by fjallstrom on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 10:17:30 PM EST
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We don't do that here. Not in these neck of the woods. Player.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri May 31st, 2019 at 04:31:40 AM EST
"Yes I can" Biden
by das monde on Sat Jun 1st, 2019 at 02:37:21 PM EST
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Piers Morgan alert. Nope, not going there. I don't watch Hannity and I'm not watching that fraud either

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 2nd, 2019 at 02:38:40 PM EST
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RFI
Construction of Barcelona's Sagrada Familia may have started 137 years ago, but the emblematic basilica only got a building permit... on Friday.

The Spanish seaside city council awarded the license to a committee in charge of finishing construction of the Catholic temple for 4.6 million euros ($5.2 million), Janet Sanz, in charge of urban planning, told reporters.

In a quirk of history, authorities only discovered in 2016 that the building that draws millions of visitors every year had never had planning permission since construction began in 1882.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jun 8th, 2019 at 05:41:10 AM EST
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jun 10th, 2019 at 08:32:31 PM EST
Joebiden.info shows up on the first page of Google searches.
Uncle Joe is back and ready to take a hands-on approach to America's problems! Joe Biden has a good feel for the American people and knows exactly what they really want deep down. He's happy to open up and reveal himself to voters and will give a pounding to anybody who gets in his way!

[...]

This site is political commentary and parody of Joe Biden's Presidential campaign website. This is not Joe Biden's actual website.
It is intended for entertainment and political commentary only and is therefore protected under fair use.
It is not paid for by any candidate, committee, organization, or PAC. It is a project BY AN American citizen FOR American citizens. Self-Funded.

So he can't control his web presence, he couldn't evolve his view on the Hyde amendment in a plausible-looking way and he's supposed to be the most electable?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jun 11th, 2019 at 09:11:03 AM EST
well, let's face it, there's an awful lot of low information voters out there who probably don't know anything about the primary candidates other than Biden was the guy stood next to the black bloke a while back and they seemed to be friends, times were good then

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 11th, 2019 at 12:47:09 PM EST
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Biden is deemed "electable" by the media because he is the only DLC/Clinton faction candidate with a chance for the nomination.  They tried grooming Gillibrand but she flamed out.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Jun 11th, 2019 at 12:51:56 PM EST
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Nailed it.  The DNC/DLC/DCCC would rather run a road-kill skunk than a progressive.  And the Koch Bros. are ready to start throwing money at them to make sure that keeps happening.  Bunch of whores.
by rifek on Sun Jun 16th, 2019 at 01:08:00 PM EST
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rational self-interested actors in the most ignorant, litigious nation on the planet advice:

Best moments from the commencement speeches of 2019, A/V (EN)
Colorado U., Tulane, U of N. Carolina, Wm & Mary, Barnard, Dickinson, US Air Force Academy, Goucher, Morehouse, Manhattan College
A work spouse can be a positive asset unless boundaries are crossed (Many Americas have had a work spouse)
"the average American"

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jun 11th, 2019 at 07:11:26 PM EST
by generic on Thu Jun 13th, 2019 at 07:00:21 AM EST

I haven't read the linked article yet, but this observation seems both obviously true and something I never really thought about.

by generic on Fri Jun 14th, 2019 at 11:16:30 AM EST
Here in the States the reason the Right is more interested in Trans issues is they are bigots and so hate, loathe, and fear Trans and want to use State authority to oppress and crush them.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Jun 14th, 2019 at 11:06:43 PM EST
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Basically the right just likes to target weaker groups for some recreational bullying. The actual content of the dispute - e.g. transsexuals using ladies toilets - can be made up just to serve that purpose. It also serves to put the left in a defensive position protecting small  minorities and ceding the claim to speak for the majority to the right. To subliminal claim is always "the right speaks for the silent majority".

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 09:32:28 AM EST
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There's an element of social violence to it, but I think it is a conscious attacks vector too.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 08:02:34 PM EST
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Given the now heavy documentation of the links between the transphobic media and the alt-right/x-tian extemists, I would suggest that their objective is more wide-ranging than merely attacking trans people's rights.

Rather, we are being used as a wedge issue to attack both gay rights with an aim on whittling minority rights generally. We can see a lot of the women's anti-trans activists now disavowing the label of lesbian and adopting "female homosexual", which is becoming their identifying label as trans-erasing radical feminists (terfs).

I guess this is because lesbians are part of the lgbtq.... community, wheras "female homosexuals" says that they stand apart. Indeed terfs are very hostile to the gay community and have attacked lesbian activists in the gay community as self-hating women for their collusion.

In the UK, you expect newspapers like the Times and Mail to be transphobic, but the at least twice weekly bile in the Times from Janice Turner and Andrew Gilligan looks more like a Murdoch Corporate vendetta than just a journalistic crusade.

On the left, the Guardian is more wary of publishing transphobic opinion pieces, but their slightly terf-y values do intrude on their news reporting. The supposedly left-leaning New Statesman is full on transphobic, which has gifted the exceedingly terf-y editor a guest writer berth at The Nation.

It really is connect-the-dots between all the journalists, the outlets they write for, and who is paying the bills.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:25:54 AM EST
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It's also notable that the far left are transphobic as well. The Morning Star communist newspaper has a very prominent terf comapigner on its editorial staff. A senior member of the National Union of Teachers, she has succesfully prevented them from having a supportive policy on trans and is reportedly busily eroding their support for gay rights from within.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:29:56 AM EST
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Rather, we are being used as a wedge issue to attack both gay rights with an aim on whittling minority rights generally.

Obviously: exploit the visceral fear/disgust and lack of understanding - because dysphoria is pretty much unimaginable to people who don't suffer from it - for trans issues as a wedge issue for the counter revolutionaries. Divide and conquer is the point of the Reagan/Thatcher counter revolution.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 15th, 2019 at 08:01:31 PM EST
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Here are two related, authoritative but diverging explanations in the USA of appropriate health care for transgender persons. Each of these was cited in recent litigation.

Health Disparities at the Intersection of Disability and Gender Identity
"research" into disparity of medical outcomes ultimately correlated to earnings and "unsupportive family networks," which legislation cannot remedy

Standards of Care for the Health of Transsexual, Transgender, and Gender Nonconforming People
clinical treatment of (alleged, as above) mental disability and controversial nomenclature

Given these examples, is it reasonable to suppose that one's "psychosocial" satisfaction with gender-affirmation or sex re-assignment would be identical to one's political expectations, but for "the visceral fear/disgust" expressed by psychopaths who are committed to sex discrimination in any case?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jun 16th, 2019 at 05:38:20 AM EST
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state's sovereignty vs. constitutional supremacy
Appeals Court Rules Hate Crimes Law Covers [Homophobia at Work]
Expanding the reach of a 2009 law, the Fourth Circuit ruled Thursday that the attack of a gay man at an Amazon shipping facility qualifies as a federal hate crime.
[...]
The case was handed to the U.S. Department of Justice, which charged Hill with a [superceding] federal hate crime under the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 [at VA Circuit ct]. The law first introduced sexual orientation into the federal government's list of protected classes for such crimes, but parts of it require the act of violence to impact interstate commerce under the U.S. Constitution's commerce clause [Art. I, Section 8, Clause 3].
US District ct reverses fed criminal conviction, plaintiff appeals to US 4th Circuit
"Congress can't regulate interpersonal conduct... the jurisdictional hook is not the regulated activity. This is interpersonal violence and not regulated conduct," Patrick L. Bryant with the Alexandria Public Defender's Office said on behalf of Hill during oral arguments before the Fourth Circuit in March.
[...]
"When Congress may regulate an economic or commercial activity, it also may regulate violent conduct that interferes with or affects that activity," U.S. Circuit Judge James Wynn, Jr. wrote.
[...]
But in a dissenting opinion, U.S. Circuit Judge Steven Agee, a George W. Bush appointee, said Hill's attack on Tibbs was not an "inherently economic activity" and the majority interpreted the federal law too broadly.
Ways to skin a cat, vol. 230

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:06:01 AM EST
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US same-sex couple data visualization
UCLA School of Law | The Williams Institute, resource map
Click on each state below to find state-specific research on issues such as LGBT demographics, marriage, parenting, and workplace issues -- including state-level data and maps from Census 2010.
"United States Census Snap Shot: 2010", publication
population size, ratio by state and county. (Always read the footnotes.) Type of Enumeration Area ("block level") distributions available.

US Census 2010 survey instrument limitations and supplemental data collection
There [was] no Census 2010 Long Form.

It's been replaced by the American Community Survey [ACS]. ... The Census Bureau did not include a Long Form Questionnaire in the 2010 Census.
US 2010 Census, official form
NB. Person 1 identity, personal characteristics, and personal relation to each HH person enumerated and identified
--
NB. Considering that there is no penalty for not responding or responding incorrectly or fraudulently in whole or in part to a US Census survey, what is the minimum purpose of the state for collecting and collating this information?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Jul 5th, 2019 at 06:33:26 PM EST
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we are being used as a wedge issue to attack both gay rights with an aim on whittling minority rights generally.

Who is using transgender political agitation to "whittl[e] minority rights generally"? Step back from hyperbole induced histrionics in media commentaries on the occasion of 2019 Pride month. Prohibition of sex discrimination (all of its instant permutations, including "gender" perception) in legislation and, most important, case law actually is not excluding transgender persons. Proceeding from a very important series of categorical ("protected class") opinions (beginning with Perry v. Schwartzenegger and culminating in Hollingsworth v. Perry) differential application of any state or federal law is impermissible. Of course, that doesn't immediately guarantee someone won't try. As they will every day, every year somewhere or another to some other representative member of a "protected class".

Iowa Sued Over Ban on Medicaid Funds for Sex-Change Surgery

Two transgender Iowans and a gay rights group backed by the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Friday challenging the constitutionality of a new state law barring Medicaid coverage for sex-reassignment surgeries.
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The law, passed on the final day of the Iowa Legislature's session and tacked on to a 108-page appropriation bill, was in response to a unanimous March 8 ruling from the Iowa Supreme Court striking down a state Department of Human Services rule excluding sex-reassignment surgeries from Medicaid coverage. The state's high court said the rule violated the Iowa Civil Rights Act, which includes gender identity among the protected characteristics.
Justices Rule Bias Claims Can Skip Over EEOC
Supreme Court rejects appeal over transgender bathrooms
Trump administration to scrap rule protecting transgender patients from discrimination
"When Congress prohibited sex discrimination, it did so according to the plain meaning of the term, and we are making our regulations conform," said Roger Severino, director of the department's Office for Civil Rights.
ie. the gender regulation of the PPACA is redundant. In point of fact, defects of states' Medicaid coverage and PPACA provisions arise from minimum mental health care benefit schedules, regardless of "protected class". christ Obama admin fucked up "insurance reform" and attempted to mitigate from the back-door.

I could argue that over the last four decades LGBQT have fomented more political divisions (by definition) in the USA than have "right-wing" reactionaries, wherever they may be found embedded in public offices including but not limited to ecumenical agents directed and financed by secular institutions. LGBQT activists have readily adopted specious argument which belie historical and concurrent civil rights legislation, litigation, and enforcement authority from the last century. The political agenda of this cohort is approaching the limit of grievances by its own designs on legitimacy. Competing interest in enforcement --those "wedge issues" inherent to sexual orientation-- within the ranks is illustrated in ideological disarray as well the prompt for discussion, "The lack of dedicated LGBTQ media is a disaster" (Bacharach, above).

I've thought about it --false dichotomies and "intersectional" calculus promoted by "the false left"-- a lot over forty years. I say that as one "in it but not of it", one who has been and remains an ally of "minorities" struggling to secure equal protection and enforcement of the laws of this nation while balancing "normative" shibboleths of "dignity" disposed to mere status quo ante victory; as one who has observed with dismay the degeneration of prescriptive action into revolving, rhetorical descriptions about "equality", "hate", and "empowerment" given by some figurehead of the day; as one who is reasonable suspicious of persuasion which advocates for primacy in peculiarity of suffering.

But for daily, conspicuous consumption of moral and industrial goods by "powerful" individuals, one might forget that we are all suffering at the hand of that nonpartisan minority. For rest of us our goal is to alleviate suffering regardless of hierarchy or condition of servitude, to commit our productive energy to positive reinforcement of institutional adaptation to diverse demands. Which means the majority of us need to acknowledge that barriers to achieving that goal lie not enumerating expressions of humanity by every conceivable ("demographic") characteristic --the infinitesimal "why" in or "how" of discriminatory affects; but in our failures wholly to affirm and demand from private- and public-sector agents of our governments the obligation to delivery essential utilities irrespective of the characteristics of any one.

As to speculation of a revival of "female homosexual" militancy, please note "news" so far removed from "solidarity" and "gender" coherence derived from "sexual revolution" as to be comical: LGBTQ Protest Under Fire from Zionists for Banning Pro-Israel Symbols

Dyke marches are a tradition in the U.S. that typically precede regular pride marches: they are distinguishable because they tend to engage in direct action, such as dropping banners and blocking traffic, and the participants typically hold more radical politics.
tbh, I laughed aloud reading this, because I had been mistaken for a dyke back in the day when the "label" had political force and zero religious connotation, because my first-year university informant advised me not so long ago that the idiom is offensive today. I had to bring her up to speed on the actual disintegration of "Women's March" organization.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Jun 16th, 2019 at 03:15:25 AM EST
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warning from a boomer
Why I'm Skipping Stonewall 50
"By the early 1990s, I had already soured on New York's corporatized 'pride parade'"

status and politics: "wedge issues"
Pride or protest? Disillusioned plan their own LGBTQ march
"executive board of Heritage of Pride"?
GTFO!

archived misplaced precision
"Women and minorities" Edition | D364 Y3
Organizers Cancel [INSERT LOCATION] Women's March, Citing Logistics

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jun 26th, 2019 at 01:29:56 PM EST
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Not sure about the wedge-issue thing. I suspect it's more a matter of the hard right having lost the battle on homosexuality in general -- ordinary decent people no longer hate gays -- so they have moved on to targets and issues that the ODP are not comfortable with -- hence transgender issues, or (in France) adoption or medically-assisted procreation for same-sex couples.
It'll end badly for them, but it will take time.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Jun 17th, 2019 at 03:46:31 PM EST
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That's you story and you're sticking to it?

Consider this so-called peer-reviewed study of "peer contagion": How do hard left, or liberal, personality types and political antagonism complement WEIRD investigation into "authoritarian" personality types and political antagonism, popularized by undead internet search terms?

I have difficulty accepting that either analysis describes typical, normative or desirable, human behavior. What's your secret to accepting research merits of one case without the other?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 04:14:52 PM EST
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The Sneaky Politics of "Natural Law"
On May 30, the State Department announced that it was setting up a Commission on Unalienable Rights to advise the Secretary of State, and "provide fresh thinking about human rights discourse where such discourse has departed from our nation's founding principles of natural law and natural rights." Immediately, the reference to natural law and natural rights -- and talk of the international rights discourse having departed from those principles -- alarmed liberals and secularists about the committee's potential to undermine women's rights, immigrants' rights, as well as those of the LGBTQ community.
by das monde on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 07:23:26 PM EST
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The central question, then, is, "What is human nature?"
The answer is the second question, Who proposed that innate ("unalienable") properties of human being is a collection of "rights" granted or withdrawn by force of pubic intellectuals.

Looking at the references, I see one "genetic" source, one "family" of philosophical certainty and liberation from divine caprice, masquerading as "enlightened" homi- and, naturally, femi-cidal mania. It's a paradoxical and abrupt defense of universal authority though, isn't it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM EST
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btw, this statement is deceptive.
The concept of natural rights as a check to state power [sic] evolved in the seventeenth century out of natural law theory.
The correct conclusion, had the writer actually read through the ahh micro syllabus, is monarchy, or manifestation of divine will, opposed to unmediated, material phenomena said to reveal and order the natural world, of which humanity --"nasty, brutish, and short" (Hobbes edition) in  contrast to, eg. "amour de soi" (Rousseau) or the natural state (ha ha ha) of "aretê" (Aristotle).

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 01:26:17 AM EST
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One obvious drawback to natural law theory is that it requires legislators to fully comprehend human nature, a topic of considerable philosophical -- not to mention  sociological, psychological, and medical -- disagreement, with many scholars doubting the very existence of a universal human nature. Another, however, lies in the historical origins of natural law theory, which are theological. The medieval Christian theologian Thomas Aquinas believed that the nature of things is revealed by their purpose. The nature of a pen is to write, because that's its purpose. But what is the purpose of the human being?
Already St Augustine started earnestly extending Aristotelian teleology and ethics into human nature. A long thread indeed. It is quite a human habit to defer to select public intellectuals on perplexing questions.

Another line of philosophical appreciation (rather than critique) of authority is Confusianism. The Chinese Mandate of Heaven allows for change of hierarchy, but even Communists would not abandon it. Aristotle's virtue ethics implicitly agrees that authority is not automatically inherited.

The Eindhoven case brings a concrete sympathy to the natural law. (If that makes me extreme alt-right, that's too sad.) Even if a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle (as the modern saying goes), will the humanity indeed be happier with predominantly single, childless technical professors and with more autistic male nerds left without academic jobs?

by das monde on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 07:02:20 AM EST
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"heaven": Can't see the boobs?

The Chinese philosophical concept of the circumstances under which a ruler is allowed [BY WHOM?] to rule. Good rulers were allowed to rule under the Mandate of Heaven, while despotic, unjust rulers had the Mandate revoked.
Those "circumstances" could have be ahh romanized to capture secular ideation of "dictatorship of the proletariat" or "democracy" in as many syllables of pinyin ... but noooooo. Worship of one ruler, inexplicably neither philosopher nor emperor, "under heaven" sort of like His Holiness, Frank or Oprah, channeling the Spirit of the Christ Jesus, channeling YHWH from the firmament, says it all. You are sort of just like me! Oppressed by pervy priests!

Instead religious freedom (metsphysical rules) enthralls the universal sign for "Progress" from polytheism (ironically) toward unifying human "rights" dictated in The West. Even where monotheism is conceivable only in translations of "Buddhism, Taoism [?!], and Confucianism" (but not Mencius-ism!) into the Indo-European family of  sociopathic language arts. Speaking of the Hong Kong Special Administrative ("guidelines" listicle) Region of the People's Republic of China:

Most people in Hong Kong have no religious affiliation, claiming to be atheist or agnostic. Just 43% of the population practices some religion, although it's estimated that up to 80% of Hong Kong residents have no religion.
Roughly 7,489,001 inhabiting 1,104 km2: One migrant  interprets the mandate of heaven in terms that western "mandarins" might fully appreciate --measures of equity relative to the whole nation, 1.4B-- were they truly sympathetic to "universal human rights".
At the time of the rain-drenched handover in the summer of 1997, Hong Kong accounted for about 20 percent of China's GDP. Today it accounts for 3 percent. This statistic does not cause sleepless nights in Zhongnanhai, the leadership compound off Tiananmen Square. If anything, it provides reason for a good night's sleep. It proves, from Beijing's perspective, not Hong Kong's decline, but the healthy development of the national economy.
The moral tension in East Asian cultures, of which China is a part, converges on the desirability and necessity of balance in conduct and purpose. This antagonism and its evolution are unlike any to the west where absolute power is desirable. How is that perceived and measured?

Either Zheng Lijia or Eric Li in The Coming War Against China explain why current "circumstances" in HK SAR are unlikely to copy the "velvet revolution" of 1989. They had made their point ... finally at police HQ. Nadie es libre. Li the alludes to a historical struggle between theory and practice in the one among many for balance.

In China there are a lot of problems, but at the moment, the Chinese, the state party, has proven an extra-ordinary ability to change. I make the joke how in America you can change political parties, but you can't change the policies. In China you cannot change the party, but you can change policies. So in sixty-five or sixty-six years China's been run by one single party, yet the political changes that have taken place in China these past sixty-six years have been wider and broader and greater than probably any major country in modern memory. China is a market economy and it's a vibrant market economy, but it is not a capitalist country. Here's why. There's no way a group of billionaires can control the politburo as it does American policy-making. So in China you have a vibrant market economy, but capital does not rise above political authority. Capital does not have enshrined rights. In America capital, the interest of capital and capital itself, has risen above the American nation. The political authority cannot check the power of capital. And that's why America is a capitalist country, but China is not.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 03:25:35 PM EST
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The moral tension in East Asian cultures, of which China is a part, converges on the desirability and necessity of balance in conduct and purpose.
The same in Aristotelian ethics: Aristotle defines moral virtue as a disposition to behave in the right manner and as a mean between extremes of deficiency and excess, which are vices.

Humans are political animals, practically meaning that they mostly look for others to display virtues and take the lead. If you have to wonder [BY WHOM?], you are obviously not a golfer  far from being involved. In due course, China should be most knowledgeable about changing a dynasty amidst inevitable economic-ecological decline.

by das monde on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 04:09:17 PM EST
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they mostly look for others to display virtues and take the lead.

I agree. Imitation is the easiest mode among primates of learning.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 07:17:02 PM EST
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Incongruence is what one obtains by relying on Sparksnotes to interpret discourses (qualitative data) relating orthodoxy to hierarchy, in theory and practice, by the twin twats Aristotle and Plato.

to behave in the right manner and as a mean between extremes of deficiency and excess

Is division of the whole the same as, or identical to, balance? I suppose not. But it has fostered a slew of jokes about weighted data points entering a bar.

mean, syn. average
equals one computed (dependent) value in any case. The one (the) value in no way represents each value in the range of independent variables in the set. See also the origin story of, at least 1500 years and arguably 2500 years too late to inform, supposedly, eurocentric origin stories of astronomy, equity, "representative democracy", normal distributions of deviants, heteronomy, and "identity".

archived incontinence and continence
axiology
categorical units of value
The Wen-Tzu
et seq.
Love, Bunny
intrinsic value
(archaic. ἀκρασία: "No one has every form of unrestraint")
Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics. Let's read this and the others in their entirety before undertaking a comparative analysis of traditional Chinese philosophies, of which a "right manner" of aesthetic, political, and ethical practice.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Jun 24th, 2019 at 01:25:15 PM EST
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Aristotle explains a lot about the mean. So yeah, go read Nicomachean Ethics.

And enjoy your Dharma.

by das monde on Mon Jun 24th, 2019 at 03:09:19 PM EST
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Again?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jun 24th, 2019 at 08:24:19 PM EST
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Alrighty then.

I read it AGAIN (different translator) as if that makes a difference or informs my reading of Eudemian Ethics.I think fucking not: I saw "God" (personal name, yo, dumped in a polytheistic culture) and "psychologist" like "corn" everywhere, AGAIN.

I lost my cool, AGAIN, before I even got to Book 7 incontinence a/k/a forms of unrestraint link (above) picked up RESTATEMENTS of Bk 1-6 doctrinaire descriptions of the "good life" (the twin twat brand of ruler product lines) which then degenerates from utter drivel PRAISING the PSYCHE* of political [!] "scientists" whose PROPORTIONS of INTELLECT and DISPOSITION ("supreme good") to "pronouncements of value contributed by our predecessors". For alternative hypothesis see axiology link (above).

Self-dealing. never. gets. old.

I surmise though, you might have interpreted that there lies a "Doctrine of the Mean [or AVERAGE, MEDIAN, MEDIATED, MODERATE, MIDDLE]" to fit "virtue [or EQUALITY, PROPORTIONALITY, COMPLEMENTARITY]" to purposes of the "state" NOT polis (which I've read) or constitution (which I've read).

Indeed I had forgotten a MEMORABLE QUOTE for such solipsism.

It is not "the end justifies the means" (ha ha ha). It is  "the lesser of two evils is more desirable than the greater" (Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1131b)

So thank you for that. Let me know when you're ready for comparative analysis of, shall we say, corruption of Analytics et seq. ("confucianism") in applied "sciences" of aesthetic, political, and ethical practice.
--
* The twin twats' grasp of mathematical "laws" was Pompeo-like in their applications before there was a Pompeo or Trump or Boris or Adam SCHIFF. [INSERT A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE]: You have learned that all the "best" Greek philosophers did "summer study" in Egyptian tech, right? Beside acquiring tenuous comprehension of geometry, one finds in Timaeus (which I've read) a peculiar affinity for and "improvement" upon traditional spiritual matters cultivated there --concept of PSYCHE and its five (5) divisions attested since 19th cen BCE, reduced by the "priestly caste" to 1-3 by 4th cen BCE. Bernal provides a rather interesting phonological/semantic treatment of the relation of the Greek (for which there is no Indo-European root) to the Egyptian cognate, "shade", complement of "sun". But then none of the fun of "democratizing" the poors begins until after Alexander "hellenizes" Alexandria and the Near East.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 08:09:52 PM EST
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Aristotle did not imagine that birth control, education for Goddesses would beat any virtue. He would be envious of modern states. Huxley-an utilitarianism rather rational consideration, control of passions for good humans.

The most interesting critiqe of the modernist ethics: Alasdair MacIntyre, "After Virture" (1981)

by das monde on Wed Jun 26th, 2019 at 12:02:49 PM EST
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by generic on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:42:26 AM EST
## Stereotype is the mind killer.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 03:29:17 PM EST
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if they cannot marry the rich
by das monde on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 06:06:07 PM EST
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by generic on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 06:36:57 PM EST
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This alpha specimen will have to lower his testosterone level to be competative in Eindhoven.
by das monde on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 06:48:57 PM EST
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by generic on Fri Jun 21st, 2019 at 01:35:31 PM EST
never. gets. old.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Jun 22nd, 2019 at 01:31:48 AM EST
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by generic on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 11:20:40 AM EST
The Double Standard of Antitrust Law
* If a group of independent truck drivers forms an association to jointly bargain their prices, that combination is a cartel: automatically illegal, perhaps criminal. But if the same truck drivers go to work for a company that charges customers for their services on a single price schedule, there is no antitrust violation, even though this arrangement suppresses price competition precisely to the same extent. What is illegal outside a corporation is legal within it.

* If a group of small suppliers gets together to jointly bargain with Amazon for a better deal, that too is an illegal cartel. But if Amazon contracts with them and charges the same price for their goods, there is nothing illegal about it.

* If drivers for Uber join in an association to demand higher pay, the competition authorities currently assume that their joint action is illegal. But Uber itself has evaded antitrust scrutiny even though it fixes the prices that customers pay for the drivers' services.

by generic on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 01:09:24 PM EST
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This is no good. It is a pile of anecdote heap on misapprehension of US history, US Code and case law, as well as the principal antagonists in the moral drama barely perceived by its spectators. Let's call it "The Marvels of Capitalist Enterprise".
antitrust law, established originally to limit corporate power
Wrong premise, wrong venue, unidentified problem, wrong arguments.

There are two rules on which US "elites" agree: (1) "free trade" and (2) the supreme corporate power, US fed gov. Restraint of trade violates the first, private trusts violate the second. See how sloooooowly the wheels of justice turn in the USA to protecting "the little guy".

I've already cited Justice Marshall's decision (1809) affirming the rights of citizens d/b/a corporations. 1st Amd assembly -> association clause. Nothing has changed.

Sherman Act (1890) - reactionary Civil War and Reconstruction era defense by US gov against systematic frauds by US contractors (aided by US reps); child of US False Claims Act (1863) still in force and somewhat productively, tho' attenuated in the yella sheets to protecting individual "professional" whistle blowers' careers. btw, John Sherman is Wm. Tecumseh's bro.

Clayton Act (1914)- amended the Sherman Act initially to exempt human labor (labor unions) from the scope of any law by states or fed gov regulating commodities or articles of commerce; and define four (4) impermissible trading practices. These are categorical. Clayton is the motherlode of antitrust actions across industry sectors. Specific violation is determined by litigation (findings of fact and findings of law), confusing "the little guy" as to which formula of HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL combinations of violations by one or more firms in "combination" (a/k/a cartel, denoting collusion) are or are not permissible. See Essays in competition policy, "Identifying antitrust markets" on how just one formula determines monopolistic effect in order to identify trade practices of one or more firms for prosecution in any industry.

Taft-Hartley Act (1948) - under the radar restrained (or arrested, detained, inhibited) "free trade"  of labor competing with capitalists (firms) for MARKET POWER --control of "prevailing prices" which may or may not reduce to adverse retail ("consumer") commodity rates in the estimation of US fed gov law enforcement, yo. Similarly, the European Labour Authority under the EC under TEU under EU Convention on Human Rights. Do you see all the exceptions to the rules?

Today's antitrust enforcement by US fed gov is the same as old antitrust enforcement by US fed gov with algorithmic "characteristics".

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 05:54:25 PM EST
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It is clear that anti-trust laws have been totally subverted from their original intent. Time for reform. Neo-Classical Economics poisons everything it comes to be associated with.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 10:06:25 PM EST
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The history cited in the article linked to 'The Double Standard of Antitrust Law' amply justifies the dogged opposition Democrats gave Bork's nomination, What a tool.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jun 25th, 2019 at 10:17:51 PM EST
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After a couple of years, I get to spend a few days in the EU. Just work. I do love the Netherlands, so visiting Rotterdam will be wonderful. Wish me safe travels. At least I don't have to spend the 4th with nonstop coverage of whatever militarist spectacle the White House Occupant has in mind. Being on a plane is so much better in this case.

"There are no innocents. There are, however, different degrees of responsibility." -- Lisbeth Salander
by Don Durito on Wed Jul 3rd, 2019 at 04:40:43 AM EST
I hear heavy rain is forecast for DC for July 4th.

Should be fun

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:59:23 PM EST
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by generic on Thu Jul 4th, 2019 at 01:47:40 PM EST
by generic on Mon Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:59:53 AM EST


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