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Ukraine Plane Crash - East-West Conspiracies

by Oui Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 08:27:17 PM EST



I had written a few posts about Ukraine flight -- CFM56 engine failures --  

Early this morning in a Dutch newspaper I read of a suspicion that missile debris was found on the crash site. It was linked to a Ukrainian expert Oleksiy Danilev who leads a team of investigators and on their way to Tehran. In search who this person was, I found out the following:

Zelensky appoints Danilov as Secretary of National Defense Council

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky appointed Oleksiy Danilov as Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC), having previously dismissed him from the office of NSDC Deputy Secretary. The respective decrees were published on the official website of the president.

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"Appoint Oleksiy Danilov as the Secretary of National Security and Defense Council," reads the presidential decree of October 3, 2019.

    According to media reports, he was brought to Yusuchenko's headquarters by Mykhailo Brodsky, a link that ensured Danilov's promotion in the team of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko in 2004-2007 -- initially as Head of the Luhansk Oblast State Administration, then as MP from Batkivshchyna. That is why Danilov did not stay in Batkivshchynamuch longer after Brodsky broke up with it with a scandal in the late 2006: Danilov no longer featured as MP from this party after the Verkhovna Rada dissolution in 2007, nor did he hold any top positions in it.

    Mykhailo Brodsky can hardly be seen as the ultimate beneficiary of Danilov's appointment to the National Security and Defense Council. It is well known that Brodsky has a long record of relations with  Ihor Kolomoiskiy, the key spobsor of Zelenskiy. [Source: Ukrainian Week]

In 2005, Danilov headed the Luhansk Regional State Administration. He was also a Ukrainian parliamentarian of the 5th convocation (from May 2006 to November 2007).

Since December 2007, he has been working as a Deputy Director of the Institute for European Integration and Development.

On September 27, it was reported that Oleksandr Danyluyk wrote a letter of resignation. He prepared the proper letter addressed to the president before the beginning of the working visit of Volodymyr Zelensky to the U.S. for participation in 74th UN General Assembly. The Office of the President noted that Zelensky will consider the letter after return to Kyiv from America.

Ukraine's NDSC Secretary says Medvedchuk poses "threat" to Parliament
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One of the early reports I found was on an Ukrainian publication "112 Ukraine" which was found out to be linked to pro-Russian domestic politics and the party of Viktor Medvedchuk [h/t das monde].

In a matter of hours, this news was spread across Western media with headlines in The New York Times, France24 and good-old British The Guardian.

Many of the Ukrainian experts and Western reporters are MH-17 affiliated. From one conspiracy to the next ... just unbelievable.

Questions, diplomatic tensions plague investigators probing Ukrainian plane crash in Iran | France24 |

Ukrainian authorities on Thursday said they were considering several possible causes of Wednesday's plane crash near Tehran, which killed everybody on board. Iranian authorities have refused to send the black boxes of the Boeing 737 to the US, but are cooperating with their Ukrainian counterparts in the investigation.

Canada and the US have called for a full investigation into the crash. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government would ensure a "thorough investigation" so that "Canadians' questions are answered".

Without naming Iran directly, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement calling for "complete cooperation with any investigation into the cause of the crash".

Iran's civil aviation chief, Ali Abedzadeh, said Iran would cooperate with Ukraine, but not send the black boxes to the US, with which it has had no diplomatic relations for four decades.

Fire on board the plane, say witnesses

Iranian authorities said the plane initially headed west to leave the airport zone, turned right following a problem and was headed back to the airport at the moment of the crash.

"The plane disappeared from radar screens the moment it reached 8,000 feet (2,400 metres). The pilot sent no radio message about the unusual circumstances," the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization said on its website late Wednesday.

"According to eyewitnesses, a fire was seen on board the plane which grew in intensity," the organisation added, reporting the first findings of its investigation into the crash.

Reports of possible Russian missile debris


U.S. Officials Have `Confidence' Ukraine Airliner Shot Down | NY Times | by Anton Troianovski  

KYIV, Ukraine -- Investigators will look into the possibility that a missile shot down the Ukrainian passenger jet that crashed in Iran, a senior Ukrainian official said on Thursday, but he did not rule out a range of other possibilities for the disaster that killed at least 176 people.

The official, Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, said that investigators were following up on unconfirmed reports that fragments of a Russian-made Tor surface-to-air missile -- a system used by Iran -- had been found near where the plane came down.

Ukraine was negotiating with Iran to allow the investigators to search the crash site near Tehran for possible rocket fragments, he told Censor.net, a Ukrainian news outlet.


The possibilities of a terrorist act, a collision with an airborne object such as a drone, and an engine explosion were also being examined as potential causes of the crash, Mr. Danilov said on his Facebook page.

Ukraine brings unique experience to bear on the case: In 2014, after Russian-backed separatists took control of parts of eastern Ukraine, an antiaircraft missile that international investigators later said was Russian-made, shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 there, killing all 298 people aboard.

Tehran crash: plane downed by Iranian missile, western officials believe | The Guardian |

The Ukrainian passenger jet that crashed shortly after take-off from Tehran on Wednesday was accidentally shot down by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile, western security officials believe.

Western intelligence sources told the Guardian that their assessment suggested two surface-to-air missiles had targeted the plane.

Western intelligence agencies are understood to have picked up signals of the missile launches, followed by the traces of an explosion. A British source said: "The assessment is that it looks like it is a tragic accident."

Separately, officials told US media they had identified the signature from an Iranian anti-aircraft missile battery being activated shortly before the aircraft crashed into countryside south-west of the Iranian capital, killing all on 176 on board. The officials also said they had identified the infrared signature from two suspected missile launches followed shortly afterwards by the infrared blip from the burning and fatally disabled aircraft.

I see very little coverage in Western media about the passengers and crew who lost their lives in this fatal accident. No one deliberately downs a passenger plane - with statistical 99.9% of incidents. Same with the Malaysian flight MH-17, there was no deliberate action to target a passenger aircraft.

Iran dismisses speculations Ukrainian flight taken down by missile | Press TV |

Mohammad Eslami said the Boeing 737-800 aircraft crashed after encountering a technical malfunction.

Eslami said Iran will not hand over the black boxes recovered from the crash site to Boeing or any other countries.

According to the minister, Iranian technicians and experts from the American aerospace company Boeing will recover data from the black boxes in Iran.

"There are rumors that a terrorist attack, explosion or shooting at the plane may have caused the incident, but they are not true. Technical failure has been the cause of the incident," Eslami said.

    "Had the rumors been true, the plane must have exploded up in the air, but that has not happened, because the plane caught fire due to technical failure. That first caused its communications and control systems to stop working, and subsequently resulted in its crash."

These have been witnessed and confirmed by eyewitnesses as well, the minister said.

In Paris on Wednesday morning, the maker of the plane's engines, French-US firm CFM - co-owned by General Electric Co and France's Safran - said speculation regarding the cause was premature.


Under international rules, responsibility for investigating the crash lies with Iran. Iranian state television said both of the plane's black box voice and data recorders had been found.

The head of Iran's civil aviation organization said it was not clear which country Iran would send the black boxes to for analysis of the data, but it would not give them to Boeing.

It was Kiev-based Ukraine International Airlines' first fatal crash, and the carrier said it was doing everything possible to establish the cause.

Ukraine said it was sending a team of experts to Iran to investigate. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said he had instructed Ukraine's prosecutor general to open criminal proceedings, without specifying who they would involve.

Iran's civil aviation chief dismisses reports of Ukrainian plane being hit by missiles

Earliest reports stipulated intelligence officials ruled out a terror attack, later was this repealed.

If I recall correctly, in the statement by GOP Senator Mike Lee of Utah, he too mentioned in the U.S. Congress the intelligence briefing, there was no evidence Ukrainian plane was downed by a rocket or missile.

Am I puzzled by these East-West conspiracies and propaganda. Geez, how I loved the certainties during Cold War 1.0 with Eisenhower, Khrushchev and Kennedy. At least many nations and peoples could live there lives, or not really with all the guerilla battles in the America's, Africa and South-East Asia. Not battling Islam, but Communism, an economic doctrine that was doomed to fail. Islamophobia is a greater danger for democracy.

Related reading, in the past, military have "accidentally" shot passenger planes out the sky ...

The mystery of Itavia Airlines DC-9 flight 870 - kept secret
The Death of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Boeing 707-321B
Ukraine admits missile may have downed Russian plane (2001) - Siberian Airlines Tupolev Tu-154M
USS Vincennes: Britain Helped the US Cover Up Its Own Plane Shooting Disaster

by Cat on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 08:37:35 PM EST
Iran releases preliminary accident report on PS752 crash | UNIAN |

Iran invites other (relevant) countries to join probe into Ukrainian plane crash | UNIAN |

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:26:30 PM EST
138 passengers on flight that crashed in Iran were headed for Canada: Trudeau | CBC News - Jab 8, 2020 |

'Hard' Evidence from Trump and Trudeau

Trudeau says evidence indicates Iranian missile brought down Ukrainian flight

    "We have intelligence from multiple sources, including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile," he said during a news conference in Ottawa, adding that it might have been an unintentional act.

    "The news will undoubtedly come as a further shock to the families who are already grieving in the face of this unspeakable tragedy."

Was Passenger Jet Shot Down In Iran? Trump: `I Have My Suspicions' | RollingStone |

So Trump, if this is true, your anger to take out Soleimani and U.S. Representative warmongering in support, led to a tense stand-off between you and the Iranian regime. You HAD the intelligence through military satellite observation what happened that night. YOU KNEW A$$HOLE!!

TOR-M1 9A331 SA-15 Gauntlet Ground-to-air missile on armored vehicle

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:33:00 PM EST

Judith Miller is at large, btw.

by Cat on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:50:24 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:59:55 PM EST
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There's this thing about liars ... Have I mentioned that today? Alright. That thing is, they can't keep their stories straight.

by Cat on Thu Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:45:53 PM EST
Internal Boeing messages about the design problems of 737 Max shows the leadership unfit to lead and plane not ready for flying commercialy. However, the FAA was in Boeing's pocket so they could push the envelop. An example what is wrong in today's society ... caring and be responsible for your acts.

Republicans and Trump lead ... the end of times.

Boeing 737 Max internal messages | The Guardian |

    ... plane designed by clowns who are supervised by monkeys ...

One cannot have software to compensate a knowingly faulty design, pushing forward for commercial reasons, a market gap delivering planes for your customers. Damn Europeans with their Airbus ... wonder how far the reach is of Nikki Haley and Der Trumpf!

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Jan 10th, 2020 at 04:29:03 AM EST
Maas ruft EU zur Geschlossenheit auf

FM Heiko Maas has no backbone ... kissing Trump's a$$ and kicking JCPOA partner Iran in the teeth. #BMW #Mercedes #CSU

Airlines avoid Middle Eastern airspace, Lufthansa cancels flights

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Jan 10th, 2020 at 10:33:17 AM EST
A few sources, I will elaborate later today ...

Iran plane crash: Ukraine says ... after 'fragments discovered' near site | The Indepennt |

Accusation of a Missile Strike based on flimsy evidence | M of A - Updated |

Iran's unthinkable act after Ukrainian plane crash | AU News Australia | !!!

And not lagging behind, the US Ambassador to Germany welcomed by the CDU/CSU party of Angela Merkel ...

Is I have written before since the Obama administration and Cass Sunstein: to hide a bad situation, cover it up by launching a conspiracy theory. The wolves love it. Who is writing about the assassination near Baghdad of Qassem Soleimani today?

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Jan 10th, 2020 at 11:33:02 AM EST
Under the radar: industry Data Doom Spiral

Boeing to fix engines on 7,000 jets after fatal accident probe, 19 Nov

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 02:32:29 AM EST
The US government picks winners and losers. Civilians are usually losers. As in 2008, 2015, and 2017, BOEING is a winner, a "systemically important institution" of American Ingenuity no matter how many CEOs, rescues, or assembly floors rationalized. Bank on nostalgia.

Will Boeing Survive as a Civilian Aircraft Maker in 2020?
"Wall Street does not understand this because Wall Street does not understand how to quantify empathy and trust other than in the crude human instrument of goodwill."

by Cat on Tue Jan 14th, 2020 at 04:25:16 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 04:46:51 AM EST
Iran: Ukrainian plane brought down 'due to human error' | PressTV |

Human Error: Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian airliner 'unintentionally' | The Guardian |

Ukraine's SBU considering two theories of UIA  plane crash in Iran | UNIAN |

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 05:11:46 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:33:49 AM EST
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Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran says | CBC News |

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:41:28 AM EST
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EU willing to maintain Iran nuclear deal, risking rift with the US, 10 Jan
With the prospects of a potential US-Iran war fading, EU foreign minister during an emergency session on Friday (10 January), said they are willing to maintain the Iran nuclear deal as long as Tehran fullfils its commitments in order to achieve it.
"The region cannot afford another war, we call for an urgent de-escalation and maximum restraint," EU's chief diplomat Josep Borrell told reporters following the meeting in Brussels on Friday, that had reaffirmed European commitments preserving the Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA).
"Iran can never acquire a nuclear weapon, it would be catastrophic for the Middle East," [US Special Representative for [?] Iran, Brian] Hook said. "Now that we are outside of the Iran nuclear deal, we are in a much better position to deny Iran a nuclear weapon.

"It allows us to then forcibly respond to Iran's regional aggression and that is what we have done with our sanctions," Hook added.

At the same time as EU FM's discuss how to support and preserve the Iran nuclear deal to avoid escalation, US says that they will sanction anyone using the EU #INSTEX mechanism for dealing with Iran. That's US sanctions against EU for having its own policy. Extraordinary.

    -- Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) January 10, 2020

Borrell has invited Iranian Foreign Minister Mohamed Javad Zarif for talks to Brussels, but a date for his visit has yet to be set.
hmm. Who's taking the "L"?
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 04:25:17 PM EST
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"... risk a rift with Trump ..."

EU needs a medicine to grow a backbone ... it's been clear to me one can't appease a bully!

"Peace In Our Time"

See my new diary - A Last Warning

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 06:32:01 PM EST
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REUTERS | Iranian protesters demand that Khamenei quit over plane downing, 2 HR ago
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REUTERS | Iranian semi-official news agency reports anti-government protests, 1 HR ago
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REUTERS | Iran's handling of plane disaster sparks new challenge to rulers, 1 HR ago
Amid mounting public fury and international criticism, the belated admission of blame by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has squandered the national unity seen after the killing of the country's most influential commander in a U.S. drone strike in Iraq on Jan. 3 [4 GMT]
That mood bodes ill for a parliamentary election in February, when Iran's rulers typically seek a high turnout to show their legitimacy even if the outcome will not change any major policy.
Video clips on Twitter showed protesters in Tehran on Saturday chanting "Death to the dictator," a reference to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Reuters could not independently verify the footage.
"This tragedy will not be forgotten nor is it easy to overcome for the population under sanctions and pressure not just from abroad but also from the state," said Sanam Vakil, Senior Research Fellow at Middle East and North Africa Program, Chatham House [UK]. "This incident is a stark reminder of the gaping lack of governance," said Vakil.
Alongside the parliamentary vote, the elections on Feb. 21 will also choose members of the Assembly of Experts, a clerical body that in future will be responsible for selecting a successor to 80-year-old Khamenei.
FARS | Iranian Speaker Asks for Identification of Those Guilty in Ukrainian Plane Incident
Supreme Leader Orders Armed Forces to Seriously Deal with Faults, Flaws
PRESSTV | Ukraine's president wants Iran to 'punish' those responsible for plane crash
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:17:44 PM EST
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So it took Iran a mere 2 days to admit that they were responsible. Not bad - it took Ukraine about a week in a similar case.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 07:35:32 PM EST
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Oh. MA Flight 17? That's an interesting case. NATO investors IDed the fall-guy pretty quick, but shure took time assembling official details.
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:08:59 PM EST
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Of course not. Ukraine never admitted anything about that.  I was referring to Siberia 1812.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:11:17 PM EST
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My bad: That's what I get for following the money. $18B has been difficult for me to ignore.
by Cat on Sat Jan 11th, 2020 at 08:26:02 PM EST
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exhibit and thread
by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 01:38:08 AM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 01:42:06 AM EST
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Which event broke the camel's back?

The IRGC Commander Soleimani assassination by Trump


The IRGC mishap UIA-752 and the cover-up?

Placed in history and the psychology of the masses, ultimate hate between America, Israel and the founding of the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979, there was NO other way these decisions were made by both the leaders of the US and Iran.

Iran is split in religious leader Khamanei, political Rouhani and the military IRGC. A systematic failure. The "retaliation" was one to calm the masses after the great Satan murdered their military leader, the mishap had to be covered-up, knowing very well the responsibility had to be taken at a later moment in time.

A Dutch expression: sitting in spagaat.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 06:25:14 AM EST
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I am not persuaded.

The more I read, the less so credible NATO explanations for any of these events which some intend to form constituents' agreement for unrestricted, punitive discipline for Iraq and Iran governments. Let us not discard yet again age-old presumptions of aggression, foisted by "western" civilization onto the "east." Reasonable observers should always premise their consent to utter failure of negotiated conflict with a question: What then is the objective of violence?

Categorical dispossession.

However, these explanations, erupting from WH propagandists, do not project internal consistency of either affect ("feelings", motive) or effects (means, capabilities) on to the subject (illegal or unlawful war, itself an absurd doctrine) and "persons of interest" (individual suspect perpetrators). Indeed, the introduction of so-called systematic features of these crimes into systemic opprobium ascribed by their "neighbors" to those states is late, too late, an after-thought.

After all the foregoing, suddenly, I am to understand that one commander in the IRGC--or whateverfucking brigade--was so incapacitated by fear, incapable by any means, of differentiating a BOEING 737 passenger aircraft from a missile?

That profound sacrifice of that individual for peace, so-called de-escalation--immediately rejected by US Americans--is unacceptable to me. I refuse to do the work of the deranged vanguard of liars who fervently believe they have inherited the earth from the misery of beseiged "protesters". The hell I'm having that.

by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 02:48:31 PM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 04:54:53 PM EST
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by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 03:24:20 PM EST
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President Trump did also tweet this message in Farsi - SMART 😎

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:18:23 AM EST
FARS | Iranian Students Ask for Expulsion of British Envoy
by Cat on Sun Jan 12th, 2020 at 06:54:51 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Jan 15th, 2020 at 07:17:44 AM EST

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