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Theresa May: A Unilateral Decision by the US

by Oui Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 10:37:56 AM EST

We need to rethink NATO ...

A restless House of Commons with exquisite role by former PM Theresa May  🙏🏽

MP Theresa May concluded that Islamic terror has not been mitigated, but has spread across the Middle East.

The Commons seems particularly restless, with MPs from all sides trying to intervene and ask the prime minister a question during his statement.

Several former Conservative ministers have already expressed their concerns in the debate.

Boris Johnson does, however, get a chorus of "hear hear" when he stresses that the UK's allies have agreed not to immediately recognise the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

May: Politicians responsible for consequences

Theresa May says she fears the situation in Afghanistan will embolden those who do not share Western values and "wish to impose their way of life on others".

"I am afraid I think this has been a major setback for British foreign policy," she says. "We talk about global Britain but where is global Britain on the streets of Kabul?"

She says all military personnel who served in Afghanistan should be proud of what they achieved.

"The politicians sent them there, the politicians decided to withdraw, the politicians must be responsible for the consequences," she concludes.

Incomprehensible the UK didn't do more for Afghanistan - May

Theresa May moves on to considering how the move by the US to withdraw support from Afghanistan will be viewed around the world.

She asks what message it sends about the UK's capabilities and willingness to defend our values - and what does it say about Nato if we are entirely dependent on a unilateral decision taken by the US?

"We all understand the importance of American support but I do find it incomprehensible and worrying that the UK was not able to bring together an alternative alliance of countries to continue to provide the support necessary to sustain a government in Afghanistan."

She says there needs to be a reassessment of how Nato operates, adding that neither Russia nor China will be blind to the implications of this withdrawal decision.

Tom Tugendhat gave a powerful speech, an example of a excellent representative of the people.


Tom Tugendhat’s speech in the Afghanistan debate was one of the most electrifying moments I’ve seen in the Commons.

“This last week has been one which has seen me struggle through anger and grief and rage”

Take eight minutes to watch the whole thing

      More to follow ...

      Corbyn Speaking On Parliament Square

British commandos and intelligence fought side by side against the same enemy ... many in the House of Commons were stupefied when Biden claims the Afghan were not willing to fight their war.

UK politicians decry Joe Biden's defence of Afghanistan pullout | The Guardian |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 11:22:56 AM EST
"She [May] says all military personnel who served in Afghanistan should be proud of what they achieved.

"The politicians sent them there, the politicians decided to withdraw, the politicians must be responsible for the consequences," she concludes."

So what did they acheive to be proud of?

The government and army have been accused of covering up torture, sexual abuse and child killings by troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.


No case investigated by IHAT or Operation Northmoor has led to a prosecution.

An IHAT detective told Panorama: "The Ministry of Defence had no intention of prosecuting any soldier of whatever rank he was unless it was absolutely necessary, and they couldn't wriggle their way out of it."

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:58:55 PM EST
Based on that theory that a broke Taliban government will not be able to do anything and thus will fail and so then the US wins
by asdf on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 03:19:46 PM EST
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IMF suspends Afghanistan's access to resources
This move by the IMF comes after the Biden administration reportedly froze Afghan government reserves held in U.S. banks, blocking the Taliban from accessing billions in funds.
This is the same administration that conspired with the UK ray-geem to award the pretender Juan Guaidó--personally--claim to Venezuela's $2B gold reserves.
Britain told the court that its recognition of opposition leader Juan Guaidó as president is clear and longstanding, and therefore he is the person authorized to decide how the gold held by Britain's central bank should be used. The government's statement came after a lower court said the U.K.'s recognition of Guaidó was "ambiguous."

"The U.K. government has the right to decide who to recognize as the legitimate head of a foreign state," the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office said in a statement.

by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:50:02 AM EST
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EU pulls Afghanistan funding, will only work with Taliban if human rights respected | CNBC |

Germany and Finland announced Tuesday that they were stopping development aid for the time being. Later in the evening, the EU's foreign affairs chief confirmed the wider move to stop funding.

"No payments are going on to Afghanistan right now. No payments of development assistance until we clarify the situation," the EU's Josep Borrell said.
"We have to see first what kind of government the Taliban are going to organize," he told reporters.

The EU promised in November to donate 1.2 billion euros ($1.4 billion) over the next four years in long-term and emergency assistance. These funds were conditional on Afghan authorities preserving democratic pluralism, the rule of law and human rights.

The European Union reconfirmed its long-standing solidarity and partnership with the people of Afghanistan, pledging support of €1.2 billion over the period 2021-2025 in both long-term and emergency assistance at the 2020 Afghanistan Conference "Peace, Prosperity and Self-Reliance".

OCHA: Internal Displacement in Kabul - Flash Update (15 August 2021)

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 12:20:31 PM EST
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The European Union reconfirmed its long-standing solidarity and partnership with the people of
oh, yes, IRAN
by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 05:16:43 PM EST
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Well, that should fix it.
by generic on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 09:04:27 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 12:59:58 PM EST

Also women protest at border with Pakistan ... Torkham border is closed to civilians leaving Afghanistan.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 01:02:50 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 01:03:58 PM EST
Taliban Demand Swap of Haqqani Member, Others for Western Hostages | VOA News - Aug. 14, 2018 |

Death row prisoner Anas Haqqani is the youngest son of Jalaluuddin Haqqanifounder of the Haqqani network. The United States has declared the network a global terrorist. [US officials have admitted that during the Soviet-Afghan war Haqqani was a prized asset of the CIA]

Arrival of Taliban officials by US Military transport aircraft at Kandahar airport ...

Top political negotiators of Taliban and Anas Haqqani.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 01:36:21 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 06:15:13 PM EST
Confirmation of the lies in statement from Joe Biden and his NATO puppet leaving more questions unanswered. Leaving the stage to return to his holiday in Camp David.

Pak worried as Taliban releases anti-Pak militants after taking over Afghanistan

The Afghan Taliban, has already released hundreds of TTP prisoners from Afghan jails including its hard-core militant leaders banned by Pakistan, which fears that the militant group will infiltrate the flood of refugees that is knocking on Islamabad's door.

The TPP deputy chief Maulvi Fakir Mohammad was released on Sunday from Bagram jail by the Taliban. [Faqir Mohammad was a high value ISI/CIA target due to his liaison with Al Qaeda leadership] Afghan journalists shared his picture as he was being escorted in a car. Fakir was arrested by Afghan security forces in 2013 and Pakistan was seeking his handover.

Hundreds of TTP militants including key commanders were freed in various Prison breaks in Afghanistan especially from Bagram Prison & Pul-e-Charkhi Prison in the last 24 hours. TTP's slain chief Baitullah Mehsud's trusted Commander Zali, several key commanders from Bajaur and Waziristan have also been released. Commander Waqas Mehsud. Hamza Mehsud, Zarqawi Mehsud, Zaitullah Mehsud, Commander Qari Hameedullah Mehsud, Hameed Mehsud, Commander Mazhar Mehsud were released yesterday.

All these militants are in the list of most wanted list of Pakistani security agencies. According to Pakistani sources, in the last four weeks, Taliban has released, according to TTP, about 2300 members of the UN designated terrorist organisation.

Pakistani media reports show massive attacks on the Pakistani Army by TTP at North Waziristan district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan on Sunday. Several Pakistani soldiers were feared dead in the strike.

TTP Chief Noor Wali Mehsud called for an independent state in Pakistan's tribal areas. Last week, he announced that many splinter groups have joined the TTP including dreaded Ustad Aslam's group. It becomes the ninth jihadist group to join the TTP since July 2020. Among the other groups are three TTP splinters, two al-Qaeda affiliates, a faction of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), and two jihadist groups from South Waziristan.

The capture of Maulvi Faqir, former deputy `commander' of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan from Bajaur, by Afghan security forces was announced a couple of days ago.

He was said to have been arrested when he entered Afghanistan's Nangarhar province along with four accomplices identified as Shahid Umar, Maulana Hakeemullah Bajauri, Maulana Turabi and Fateh.

Maulvi Faqir led the Taliban in Bajaur for a long time and reportedly has links with Al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri.

Afghan Foreign Minister Zalmai Rassoul officially conveyed the information about Maulvi Faqir's arrest to Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar in a telephonic conversation on Wednesday night.

Pakistan hailed the arrest, describing it as an indication of the improved trust and increased counter-terrorism cooperation between the two countries.

From my diary ...

Af-Pak War: Failure to Win Hearts and Minds | EuroTrib - Jan. 2, 2010 |

South Waziristan is part of Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt, a rugged stretch of land along the Afghan frontier where al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is rumored to be hiding. Pakistan is under intense international pressure to clear its tribal areas of insurgents, many of whom are blamed for attacks on U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

The U.S. has launched scores of missile strikes in the region over the past year, killing several top militants including former Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud.

The latest strik hit Chuhatra village in the tribal region of Bajur, local government official Mohammad Jamil said.

The missile hit a hide-out of the militants that included a tunnel. The target appeared to be Faqir Mohammad, a prominent Taliban leader, but he is believed to have escaped, Jamil said. Most of the 22 killed were Afghan nationals.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 07:14:17 PM EST

"Taliban's commitment to break with al-Qa'ida and pursue a peaceful resolution to the conflict ..."

Analysis: Taliban leader declares victory after U.S. agrees to withdrawal deal

Shortly after the Trump administration signed its accord with the Taliban on Feb. 29, Taliban leader Haibatullah Akhundzada declared "victory" on behalf "of the entire Muslim and Mujahid nation." It's easy to see why.

The State Department agreed to a lopsided deal in which the Taliban extracted several significant concessions in exchange for little. The U.S. agreed to a full withdrawal from Afghanistan within 14 months, the delisting of Taliban leaders from international sanctions lists, and an uneven prisoner exchange that would free 5,000 jihadists for just 1,000 prisoners held by the Taliban.

In his defense of the deal, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo trumpeted the Taliban's supposed counterterrorism assurances. But the text of the agreement doesn't support his claims. Pompeo told a national television audience that the Taliban "for the first time, have announced that they're prepared to break with their historic ally, al-Qa'ida, who they've worked with much [to] the detriment of the United States of America." Except, that is not what the Taliban's political team agreed to in Doha.

Co-founder of Al Qaeda made the following statement on Sept. 11, 2019 ...

Ayman al-Zawahiri said America's desire to negotiate with the Taliban shows its weakness. The State Department says the Taliban agreed to betray al-Qaeda.

The White House, seat of American power, betrayed not only the Afghan people and also its allies fighting a war on terror ... the President betrayed all veterans who gave their lives on the ugly battlefield and once again lied to the American people. Personal political gain matters. 😡😡

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 08:10:43 AM EST
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Save the children 😥 🙏🏽

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 08:11:39 AM EST
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Famous White House meeting with George Bush together with PM Balkenende to support the US invasion of Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein to remake the Middle East in the image of the Jewish State of Israel. Dutch investigation later declared the Iraq invasion illegal, defiant of UN Charter and International law. De Hoop Scheffer was rewarded with White House appointment as NATO Secretary General.

Dutch Investigation: Iraq Mission Ruled Illegal | EuroTrib - Jan. 12, 2010|

Dutch Cabinet Falls Over Uruzgan Mission

"West should respect the red lines of Russia" - Opinion JdeHS

JdeHS has a position as lecturer Leiden University and sits on the board to advise Dutch government on Foreign policy ... member of Christian Democrats which made policy turn from social left to right wing ... sign of the times in a world where Geert Wilders collects more votes than the collection of Dutch Christian parties.

His message last night on Dutch television: "We need to return to war in Afghanistan if deemed necessary." On a visit to Kabul in 2006 as NATO SG he declared a victory is certain. Leading by wishful thinking, not knowing the unknowns.

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 09:10:12 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 09:36:05 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 10:25:15 AM EST
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Mesmerizing during a hot British summer night ...

Everyone knows that this time is different. The United States' self-inflicted domestic problems are 10 times more profound and structural than they were in the mid-1970s - partly because, following the pattern of over-extended empires throughout history, it has spent trillions of dollars in places such as Afghanistan and Iraq, rather than doing more nation-building at home. Abroad, it faces not a declining Leninist-ruled superpower, the Soviet Union, but a rising Leninist-ruled superpower, China. Climate change is the only hyperpower now.

It is still possible that the US can resume that course. Events, like objects, always look larger from close up. Those scenes at Kabul airport will never be forgotten, but with time will fade into a new perspective.

Nonetheless, this is a moment to contemplate the alternative: that the US never makes it "back" to a position of international leadership. What then?

Why did we ignore the lessons of history in Afghanistan? We need a public inquiry

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 10:14:30 PM EST
S A V E   Y O U R S E L F  💥

From my recent diary ...

America Is Back Baby!

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:25:36 AM EST
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America will never be back like before because a whole pile of stuff has changed, mostly externally. The entire global economy and geopolitical landscape has shifted substantially since, say, 1970. That's not going to support the idea of the US going back to how it was in the good old days.

Internally, our politics is a mess, just like it was a mess in, say, 1970. But has it really changed that much? One small example: the democratic convention in 1968 triggered a radical change in how the primary system worked. But having a bunch of old white guys running things now is just like it was in the glorious 1960s.

by asdf on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 03:41:06 PM EST
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I've listened to extended-play version at YouTube which is craftily enhanced by algorithmic addition of related "content".

Truth to tell, I can't help but receive the sanctimonious contributions and uhhhh empathy expressed by MPs for "collateral damage" in-theater (at this late date in the caper) as a marvelous exhibition of group therapy. The scene animates slightly clinical case studies of ennui that can afflict their belief system and mission, as described in The Unconscious at Work.

I became acquainted with Dr. Roberts during my tour of duty at b-school on the occasion of her joint lecture with Daniel Coleman, EQ American, to the class, ostensibly arranged to impress upon the sociopaths in my midst the importance of cultivating a healthy corporate environment and collaboration. She followed me into the ladies' at intermission. But it did not occur to me until months later, this coincidence might have been arranged, too, to inform my research in organizational behavioral "tools". I mean, I did purchase to book and did integrate bits into my theoretical process.

Anyhoo, what most impressed was Vega's affiliation with the Tavistock Institute, its establishment to receive WWI vets and going concern into the next century. So. For me, that interlude fully circled familiar tragedy.

by Cat on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 10:54:30 PM EST
HOC ritual contrition by soliciting a couple of their trusted sources to submit personal reflections of OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM.

What went wrong in Afghanistan? Perspectives on the 'forever war' from those who saw it ["]up close["]

by Cat on Wed Aug 18th, 2021 at 11:28:36 PM EST
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Lawmakers' fixation on ["punishing"] China TRIGGERS overkill, isolation unusual or frightening perceptual experiences
Frustrated that their more hawkish policy prescriptions were not included in the Meeks bill, Republicans insisted on holding roll call votes for dozens of amendments, which stretched the committee markup over four days. Many of the amendments offered by GOP members were aimed at scoring political points and infuriating Beijing, which Meeks argued amounted to choosing catharsis over effectiveness
< wipes tears >
A March survey by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs found deep divisions over U.S. policy toward China, with 51 percent of those surveyed supporting a more ["]containment-focused["] approach and 47 percent wanting Washington to pursue engagement and cooperation with Beijing.
"We are engaged right now in a contest of ideas, the United States and China, over whether the world should be governed by democratic or authoritarian values," said Malinowski, a former top State Department human rights official during the Obama administration.
"The Trump Administration's withdrawal from TPP was the single worst self-inflicted wound imaginable in terms convincing key economic partners that we could offer an enticing economic alternative," [Sen. Mark] Warner said in emailed responses to CQ Roll Call
Even as Republicans and Democrats have been able to unify on certain policies toward China ... the rest of the world, including major economic powers like Germany and France, remain much less convinced that an aggressively competitive policy toward Beijing is one that they want to join.

This concern is underlined, particularly in Europe, by worries about what happens to their own economic and security interests if the next U.S. administration after[?!] President Joe Biden returns to some form[?!] of the incongruent and unpredictable "America First" foreign policies of the Donald Trump years.

by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 01:14:47 AM EST
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Finian Cunningham
Now that the whole criminal enterprise has collapsed 20 years later, the recriminations are intense and bitter.
Indeed, the main culprit for the debacle in Afghanistan is Washington. But it is delusional for the Brits and other NATO members to try to shift the blame entirely. They all went into that country using the alliance's so-called Article Five collective defense clause. The war and 20-year occupation were illegal from the outset having no mandate from the UN Security Council nor any plausible self-defense claim.
If there is possibly one positive thing to come out of the catastrophe and criminality it is the public realization < wipes tears > that the United States and its gang of NATO accomplices are a rogue organization that is a threat to world peace and not, as they preposterously claim, to be about upholding defense, security and "rules-based order".
Where's the fun in that? oh, right. Toppling statuary.
archived Stop Blaming Outside Forces For Our Ills, Anarchists' Journal: 7.5M whathaveyous - 2M "black-clad frontline protesters" and "peaceful marchers" = 5.5M whatnots
by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 01:02:14 PM EST
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Special relationship reality is that the US does what it wants and UK dutifully follows along. What is May complaining about?
by asdf on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 03:42:32 PM EST
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Sputnik is a bunch of mean girls --as USAToday counters with a $4.99/mo access headline, "How to handle hateful comments, negative feedback"* -- America is Whack. The short list of disaffected US "client state" officials' recriminations concludes
In a commentary on the Afghanistan fiasco, China's Global Times newspaper questioned the narrative put forth by Western politicians and observers that Trump and Biden had demonstrated some kind of unusual or out of place lack of concern over the opinion of allies when deciding to quit Afghanistan. Contributor Yang Sheng suggested that while "Biden shows respect on the surface...in practice, the US is still unilateral, which means 'multilateralism' is just a slogan for Biden to please Europe."

(*) yesterday USAToday's headline below the fold was "How to handle hateful comments, critical responses". Neither of which are meaningful improvements to a MEMORABLE advice column, stop thinking, published earlier this year.
by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 05:51:19 PM EST
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Leaders' Rx for Baltimore's malfunctioning water system - a work group and more consultants
The NewGen report gets into none of this nitty-gritty, but it does point out the sizable turnover in the city and county, which it says has led to "a sense of operational paralysis."
US-Eng. translation of ennui.
by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 06:49:13 PM EST
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National security expert: Blaming American public for Afghanistan collapse is 'the definition of insanity', or pervasive ("systemic") dissociative personality disorders and anti-social behaviors
"There was just this huge systematic lie or systematic institutional dishonesty that was perpetuated by the people in charge," Kunce said. "And in Iraq we saw them get overrun by a couple thousand guys with pickup trucks and now we're seeing the same thing in Afghanistan.

hmm, Who elected "the people in charge" of legislating, foreign "policy", and representation?  

Not me! Not my president! Not my MP! I FEEL SEEN!
So all the infidels of democracy must "go"!

by Cat on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:26:37 PM EST
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The people elects from the candidates that the media and their five corporate overlords selects to tell them about. And the donors sets policy and the military lies and imprisons those that has the temerity to tell the truth.

I think the people has rather limited input in the system.

by fjallstrom on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 10:13:12 AM EST
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My observation he was bullshitting all along is confirmed.

President Joe Biden says even with the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, he sees a greater threat from outposts of al-Qaida and its affiliated groups in other countries, and that it was no longer "rational" to continue to focus U.S. military power there.

"We should be focusing on where the threat is the greatest, Biden said in an interview that aired on ABC's GMA.

"And the idea we can continue to spend a trillion dollars, and have tens of thousands of American forces in Afghanistan, when we have North Africa and Western Africa -- the idea we can do that and ignore those looming problems, growing problems, is not rational."

Joe Biden Worries That China Might Win | The Atlantic - June 9, 2021 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 02:32:52 PM EST

Seems the #nato #Stoltenberg did not understand anything:

  • Stoltenberg blames Afghan leadership for failing to stand up to Taliban.
  • He said that military and political collapse at such a speed was not foreseen.
  • He added that there are lessons for NATO to draw from the Afghanistan mission.

Final Pentagon I.G. report details all the ways the U.S. failed in Afghanistan

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:32:12 PM EST
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Thanks to early planning and forecasting over recent months ...

France proving its solidarity with all those who defend freedom

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 09:28:52 AM EST
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Sahel: 'For Paris and Algiers, negotiating with Iyad Ag Ghaly is a major point of contention' | Africa Report - June 8, 2021 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 09:45:57 AM EST
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Clear facts of US footprint and failed foreign policy through the decades. The Cold War was by comparison an Age of Peace ...

Global map of deaths from terrorism

Terrorism is often regionally-focused. But within these regions it's also concentrated within specific countries. The Middle East and North Africa had by far the largest number of deaths in 2017; but not all countries were affected.

We see the number of terrorism deaths by country in this map.12 Iraq - the country with the most fatalities in 2017 - accounted for 60% of deaths in the Middle East & North Africa. This was one-in-four terrorism deaths globally. Combined, Iraq and Syria accounted for nearly 80% in the region, and one-in-three globally.

The same is true for South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa which also had high death tolls in 2017. In South Asia, most deaths occurred in Afghanistan, with high numbers in Pakistan and India too. But some countries in the region - such as Nepal - had almost none.

Looking at the where in the world terrorism happens highlights an important point: it tends to be in countries with high levels of internal conflict. Above we discuss in detail the challenges of separating terrorism from other forms of conflict such as civil war or homicide. This proves difficult because often there is a strong overlap. 

Global Terrorism Index 2020

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 04:13:22 PM EST
Wikipedia file:Terrorist incidents worldwide 1970 to present

A clear graph of global deaths <5k in the year 2000. A surge in number of deaths is directly related to troops surge in Iraq under 2nd term George Bush, and worst case scenario under the Obama/Clinton administration and R2P policy of interventions in Libya, Syria and troops surge in Afghanistan.

The intervention by US and allied nations have caused 500k deaths in the Levant alone.

US Special Forces have always been active in the Maghreb

Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) | BooMan - Feb. 10, 2012 |

North Africa, Sahel and Maghreb - Chaos after Western (Military) Intervention | BooMan - June 27, 2015 |

Perpetuum mobile and fighting the forever war .. the modern Goebbels enterprise of the West.

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 04:18:24 PM EST
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Ridiculous ... a white-wash of historical facts.

The Taliban was beaten in November 2001 ... the bombing campaign was devastating ... AQ remnants dispersed into the mountainous AfPak districts and blended in. Rumsfeld urged the Bush administration not to stop now, but to destroy all Taliban strongholds. Most importantly, the US went after OBL and left no stone unturned. Civilians were killed indiscriminately  ... the young generation did not want this fight of the elder leadership because of a single person responsible for the terror attacks on America. After Bush, the Obama administration increased the firepower and added massive number of boots on the ground. The US was rapidly losing the hearts and minds of large swaths of the Afghan population.

As the atrocities and war crimes mounted in number and across all of Afghanistan, a slow return of the Taliban was inevitable. Similarly to the invasion of Iraq and the brutality by US forces to subdue the people, it produced AQI which evolved into the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

This decision marks the end of a military settlement of this war ...

Obama's Surge: A Bureaucratic Politics Analysis of the Decision to Order a Troop Surge in the Afghanistan War

Advisor Holbrooke warned the Afghan campaign could go the path of the Vietnam War and all similar mistakes made ...

U.S. Policy in Afghanistan: A Conversation with Richard C. Holbrooke | CFR - Dec. 15, 2009 |

You all know that Afghanistan is entering its ninth year of the war.  And the question that I'm asked most often, particularly by people I just run into, is why are we in Afghanistan.  I think most of you know the answer, but to back into Michael's question, I just need to state clearly at the outset that we're in Afghanistan for the simple reason that it was from Afghanistan that we were attacked on September 11, 2001.  

It is obviously true that the people who did the attack were driven east into Pakistan, and that's why we now talk about Afghanistan and Pakistan as an interrelated situation.  And I will state right up front that success in one country requires success in both.  We will not be able to succeed in Afghanistan unless our Pakistan policy is equally successful.  While the troops are in Afghanistan, the hard core of our core enemy is next door.

The consensus of this discussion over and over again was that you could not, at this point, separate the Taliban from al Qaeda.  I need to underscore that.  If the Taliban were just another awful odious social movement with terrible values, with certain points of view we don't agree with, it would be a serious problem, but it would not justify the commitment of what will ultimately be 100,000 American troops after this build-up is completed and a good number of our allied troops numbering in the 35 (thousand) to 45,000 range at least, including build-up and commitments still to come.  

But the separation of the Taliban from al Qaeda is not currently on the horizon.  The leaders of the Taliban and the al Qaeda are deeply intermeshed as are certain other groups like the Haqqani Network, which are critically important in this story.  

So it is our judgment that, if the Taliban succeed in Afghanistan, they will bring back with them to Afghanistan al Qaeda.  Al Qaeda will then have a larger terrain from which to operate, and they will have the most enormous international psychological, political victory imaginable to inspire more of the kinds of people who threaten our homeland.  That is the core rationale, and from that was derived the core goal to destroy al Qaeda, to defeat al Qaeda.  

That's going to take a while, and everybody in this room and everyone in the United States needs to recognize that, while our troop commitment is not open-ended, our -- we have not -- we're not going to abandon Afghanistan as happened in 1989 and it started to happen in 2004, 2005 with disastrous results.  This is a critical component of what the president announced at West Point on December 1.

Death by Drone: America's Vicious Legacy in Afghanistan

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:27:18 PM EST
Who Lost Afghanistan?

Twenty years of lying and confusion by U.S. leaders ends in a predictable and bloody farce.

Journalist Craig Whitlock's new book, "The Afghanistan Papers: A Secret History of the War," will help ensure that no one forgets the harm America's civilian and military leaders did, the lies they told, and the war they lost.

Synthesizing more than 1,000 interviews and 10,000 pages of documents, Whitlock provides a stunning study of failure and mendacity, an irrefutable account of the U.S.'s ignoble defeat in the words of those who -- from the battlefield to NATO headquarters in Kabul and from the Pentagon to the White House -- got it so wrong for so long, papered their failures over with falsehoods, and sought to avoid even an ounce of accountability.

"People often ask me, `How long will this last?'" President George W. Bush said on October 11, 2001, a few days after the United States started bombing Afghanistan. "This particular battlefront will last as long as it takes to bring Al Qaeda to justice. It may happen tomorrow, it may happen a month from now, it may take a year or two. But we will prevail."

More than a decade later, the U.S. still hadn't won the war, and an obscure government agency, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, or SIGAR, sought to figure out why. The result was more than 400 "Lessons Learned" interviews conducted with mostly American (but also Afghan and NATO) officials as well as other experts, aid workers, and consultants. Their assessments were candid, often damning, and the government sought to keep them under wraps.

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:54:09 PM EST
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by Cat on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 12:07:46 AM EST
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The Taliban's Winning Strategy in Afghanistan

The Taliban are a revolutionary movement, deeply opposed to the Afghan tribal system and focused on the rebuilding of the Islamic Emirate. Their propaganda and intelligence are efficient, and the local autonomy of their commanders in the field allow them both flexibility and cohesion. They have made clever use of ethnic tensions, the rejection of foreign forces by the Afghan people, and the lack of local administration to gain support in the population.  In so doing the Taliban have achieved their objectives in the South and East of the country, isolating the Coalition, marginalizing the local Afghan administration, and establishing a parallel administration (mainly to dispense Sharia justice and collect taxes). In recent months, a more professional Taliban have succeeded in making significant inroads by recruiting from non-Pashtun communities.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 12:02:41 AM EST
Pepe Escobar: How Russia-China Are Stage-Managing the Taliban

Moscow and Beijing are meticulously stage-managing the Taliban reinsertion in regional and global geopolitics. This means that ultimately the SCO is stage-managing the whole process, applying a consensus reached after a series of ministerial and leaders meetings, leading to a very important summit next month in Dushanbe.

The key player the Taliban are talking to is Zamir Kabulov, Russia's special presidential envoy for Afghanistan. In yet another debunking of NATOstan narrative, Kabulov confirmed, for instance, "we see no direct threat to our allies in Central Asia. There are no facts proving otherwise."

The Beltway will be stunned to learn that Zabulov has also revealed, "we have long been in talks with the Taliban on the prospects for development after their capture of power and they have repeatedly confirmed that they have no extraterritorial ambition, they learned the lessons of 2000." These contacts were established "over the past 7 years."

Zabulov* reveals plenty of nuggets when it comes to Taliban diplomacy: "If we compare the negotiability of colleagues and partners, the Taliban have long seemed to me much more negotiable than the puppet Kabul government. We proceed from the premise that the agreements must be implemented. So far, with regard to the security of the embassy and the security of our allies in Central Asia, the Taliban have respected the agreements."

*Special Representative of the President of Russia for Afghanistan, Director of the Second Asia Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry Z. N. Kabulov on the situation in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 in an interview with Russian media.

To avoid conflict with the Taliban regime in Kabul, neighbouring states are not anxious to receive Afghan refugees.

Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu said that his country would finish building a wall on the border with Iran, to prevent, among other things, the arrival of Afghan refugees.  Since the start of the year, according to Soylu, over 250,000 Afghans have been turned away after trying to enter Turkish territory.

'Irresponsible': Turkey slams loophole in US resettlement plan for Afghans

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 07:51:23 AM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 20th, 2021 at 09:02:28 AM EST
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Transcript Press  Meeting on Visit Chancellor Angela Merkel

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 03:06:29 AM EST
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According to Russian magazine The View (Взгляд), the Russian position is that even with millions of dollars of investments there won't be any exports from Afghanistan within the next 6-10 years.

Except jihadism and opium. Neither of which Russia wants to see in the 'stans. So for now Russia prefers to work with Taliban (whom they consider "agreement capable" for now) to prevent this.

According to Russian analysis China and Turkey are willing provide the investment - if Taliban can stabilize and pacify the country - with their Silk road and Jade road projects. Russia wouldn't mind the construction of TAPI gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to India (simultaneously diverting Turmenistan gas away from European markets and allowing Russia to access Indian markets) but in the foreseeable future it's way too high risk project.

by pelgus on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 09:17:28 AM EST
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China is also making nicey-nice noises regarding the Taliban.  They have no interest in wasting money in military adventurism in a globally insignificant ass ends of the world.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 03:34:42 PM EST
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Desperate crowds, empty flights and rage in Afghanistan at governments who failed to plan | The Guardian |

Inside and outside Kabul there is growing rage and despair at the failures of a crippled evacuation programme that in its current state risks leaving most of the most vulnerable Afghans behind.

"What's happening is a fiasco. We should all hang our heads in shame," said Rachel Reid, a human rights consultant working with Afghan organisations.
"Thousands of Afghans who have stood up to the Taliban for years are at risk. But they are being pushed out of the way at the airport gate as the US and UK and other states fly their citizens out over the heads of vulnerable Afghans."

The anger was directed at the governments that failed to plan, and the international organisations that are letting their staff down.

UN employees have resorted to begging friends and former colleagues for help, as they say the international institution has no plans to evacuate most of them.

"Dear Antonio Guterres. I worked for the UN in Afghanistan for four years and my inbox is full of Afghans I worked with at the UN desperately pleading for my help in escaping. Kindly advise me who I should refer them to," said Heather Barr, from Human Rights Watch, on Twitter.

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by Cat on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 06:43:21 PM EST
by Cat on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 06:49:05 PM EST
To the politicos and pundits: If you aren't an Afghani, you're just posturing.  There is no way anyone reasonably believed the US was there to actually accomplish something.
by rifek on Sat Aug 21st, 2021 at 11:10:45 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 at 07:40:17 AM EST
So sad ... lies to join George Bush taking assets out of Afghanistan to destroy Iraqi people leading to AQI and the Caliphate of the Islamic State. Done some excellent time to bring peace to the Palestinian people in the Middle East as paid special envoy.

If the Trump negotiation with Taliban terrorists in Doha was imbecelic, Blair's decisions as UK PM was none less than moronic and misguided.

Cherie Blair as go-between to the Clinton Foundation how to combine statecraft with profit. Tapping the immense wealth of KSA, UAE and Qatar.

Emir Al Thani, Sultan Erdogan and HRC Foreign Policy of Revolutions | @BooMan - Feb. 2016 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 at 11:58:23 AM EST
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Murdoch tabloid influence is getting stronger at London Times and NYT.
by asdf on Mon Aug 23rd, 2021 at 02:21:51 AM EST
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US orders emergency use of 18 commercial aircraft to transport evacuees in Afghanistan
The activation is for 18 aircraft: three each from American Airlines, Atlas Air, Delta Air Lines and Omni Air; two from Hawaiian Airlines; and four from United Airlines. The Department does not anticipate a major impact to commercial flights from this activation.
formerly-known-as contractors formerly-known-as mercenaries formerly-known-as merchant marines
by Cat on Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 at 04:25:46 PM EST
Profound media circus to put forward an acceptable narrative to stop Biden bleeding points in popularity contest. Joe is losing more due to upgrade of virus from Alpha to Delta and governors in Red States to let her rip. Quite successful btw.

Johnson to urge Biden to keep US troops at Kabul airport after 31 August

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Aug 22nd, 2021 at 10:03:02 PM EST
by Cat on Tue Aug 24th, 2021 at 02:03:09 PM EST
wikiwtf Qatar
"Most Qataris belong to the Sunni sect of Islam."

US Statewtf UAE
"more than 85 percent are Sunni Muslims, according to media reports"

US Statewtf KSA
"The legal system is based largely on sharia as interpreted by the Hanbali school of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence"

BBCwtf Afghanistan
"There has not been a proper census [bwahahahaha] for more than 40 years, but it is estimated that around 20% of the population are Shia - the rest are Sunni."

wikiwtf Iraq
"The CIA World Factbook reports a 2015 estimate according to which 29-34% are Sunni Muslims and 64-69% Shia Muslims."

AIC Iran
"According to government estimates, Sunnis make up between 7% and 10% of Iran's population. Iranian Sunnis have faced state-sanctioned repression of their faith, societal discrimination and economic deprivation for centuries."

US State2009 Afghan minority rule
"The first version of the Shia Personal Status Law (SPSL) was passed in April 2009. Some prominent Shias praised the law for officially recognizing Shia jurisprudence, and some groups hailed the law for officially recognizing the Shiite minority. However, it was controversial both domestically and internationally for its failure to protect women's rights, specifically to protect women from marital rape"

Al Jazeera | Afghans in Qatar share hopes and fears after fleeing the Taliban

Qatar has taken on a crucial role in two evacuation processes out of Afghanistan since the Taliban overran the country about a week ago and Kabul airport was flooded with thousands desperate to flee.

Many fear the Taliban's hardline interpretation of Islamic law, some lived through Taliban Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 and are risking everything to escape so they do not have to again.
As part of a US-led and managed process, Qatar is temporarily accommodating 6,000 Afghans in its Al Udeid and As Sayliyah military bases until the US can resettle them [WHERE?].
Relief and guilt
Despite the relief of getting on a flight to Doha with her family, Mariam feels guilty.

FIFTH WAVE is a void.
archived body politic, the template of European history
by Cat on Tue Aug 24th, 2021 at 08:44:52 PM EST
Pew 'mostly muslim' Poll Smoke, illustrated, Apr 2013
According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of God.
Although many Muslims around the world say sharia should be the law of the land in their country, the survey reveals divergent opinions about the precise application of Islamic law.14 Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases in family or property disputes.
Whither India? Conspicuous "women and minorities" plot holes in family and property disputes, by region
In the South Asian countries of Afghanistan and Pakistan, strong majorities of those who favor making Islamic law the official law of the land also approve of executing apostates (79% and 76%, respectively). However, in Bangladesh far fewer (44%) share this view.
In Central Asia as well as Southern-Eastern Europe, only in Tajikistan (22%) do more than a fifth of Muslims who want sharia as the official law of the land also condone the execution of apostates. Support for killing converts to other faiths falls below one-in-ten in Albania (8%) and Kazakhstan (4%).
What was the question?
In the Middle East-North Africa region, Muslims differ considerably in their assessments on this question. Lebanese Muslims (79%) are the most likely to say their country's laws do not follow Islamic law closely.
Muslims in Afghanistan stand out for the high percentage (88%) that says their laws follow sharia closely. Fewer Muslims in the other countries surveyed in South Asia believe their laws closely follow sharia (48% in Bangladesh and 41% in Pakistan).
by Cat on Wed Aug 25th, 2021 at 01:48:15 PM EST
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by Cat on Tue Aug 24th, 2021 at 08:59:09 PM EST
Theresa May is living in the 19th Century.
The Sun set on your Empire long ago, Honey, and you see there is no percentage in being washington's (really wall street's) poodle.

Instead of breaking from Europe, the UK should have been a leader in developing a European defense Force, independent of the USA to protect the Continent from Russia and the Middle east.

by StillInTheWilderness on Sun Aug 29th, 2021 at 08:18:29 PM EST
Poodles are known as a highly intelligent, energetic, and sociable breed.
Does this really sound like Britain?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Aug 29th, 2021 at 09:06:23 PM EST
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One would hope that the focus would pivot, in all countries, away from "defense" spending and towards "climate change remediation" spending. Although the recent bipartisan agreement to boost the US defense budget by another $25B over what Biden requested suggests that humans would rather die fighting about a problem than solve it.
by asdf on Sat Sep 4th, 2021 at 05:03:23 PM EST
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