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Israel and Yom Kippur

by Oui Wed Sep 15th, 2021 at 06:14:40 PM EST

Security at last ...

The last Great War that threatened the existence of the Jewish State in 1973 ... Egypt's president Anwar Sadat traveled to Jerusalem to give peace a chance. This led to the first true peace accords with a neighboring Arab state.

    Before King Farouk cofounded the Arab League in 1945 and the seizure of power by Gamal Abdeel Nasser in 1954, the vast majority of Egyptians never identified as Arab, even though they speak Arabic.

    Pharaonism was the most common form of Egyptian Nationalism that emphasized Egypt's Pre Islamic past and argued that Egyptians culturally closer to the Mediterranean region and emphasized the importance of Nile River. Both Muslims and Christians, and even Egyptian Jews were united by a common Egyptian identity and shared a common goal of driving out both the Turks and British.

President was assassinated by terrorists of the Muslim Brotherhood with a role for Ayman al-Zawahiri, later the co-founder of Al Qaeda with OBL, son of a Saudi building contractor.

First visit of an Israeli sitting Prime Minister to Egypt in ten years

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Netanyahu fought for a false security by humiliating the Palestinian people, scrapping the Oslo Accords, thousands op Palestinians in administrative detention, torture and arresting children of any age.

Not a single US President was even-handed towards the Palestinians and Israel's illegal settlement expansion from the Green Line towards the Jordan river was never halted. The military arms and support of $3.5bn was never conditional. Ahead of the 2004 Presidential election George Bush promised the Palestinians independence by he end of 2005.

Netanyahu held secret talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad and were close to a peace agreement and a deal over the Syrian Golan Heights by the end of 2010.

The former president will be eternally glorified by Israeli leadership for offering the Golan Heights, and for Morocco he offered acceptance the Western Sahara as its territory. Neglecting international treaties, UN Security Council binding resolutions. Donald was disappointed Denmark wasn't willing to sell the vast emptiness of Greenland.

The Biden administration accepts the agreements made by the former ...

Blinken to honor Abraham Accords meeting with Israel, UAE, Bahrain and Morocco ministers | ToI |

Netanyahu is gone ... or is he?

Trump, has his devilish influence evaporated or will the kid make a comeback in 2024 to get his revenge for traitors to his cause.

And there is still an opportunity beyond Iraq and Saudi Arabia ...

How Israel Became Its Own Worst Enemy and Its Hope for the Future: A Personal Perspective | Peace Now Canada |

Admiral (res.) Ami Ayalon is a former director of the Shin Bet (Israel's security service), commander of the Israeli Navy, government minister and member of Knesset (Labour). He recently co-authored Friendly Fire: How Israel Became its Own Worst Enemy and the Hope for its Future. This is a memoir of Ayalon's journey towards becoming a strong voice for peace between Israelis and Palestinians and his analysis of the barriers impeding peace. He critiques self-defeating policies that have undermined Israel's civil society while heaping humiliation upon its Palestinian neighbours.

The book discusses what Israel must do to achieve relative peace and security and to sustain itself as a Jewish homeland and liberal democracy.

Ayalon converses with  with guest host Jim Torczyner, founder and former director of the McGill Middle East Program in Civil Society and Peace Building (now called the International Community and Action Network).

None of your sources seem to be aware of the Kipnis book, that, with detailed references to the sources, changes the story completely. The Egyptians had made a detailed peace offer (not that different from the final one), but the only ones that knew about it where Kissinger, Rabin (the ambassador), Meir, Dayan and Galili. None of these informed the Chief of Staff or the Head of Intelligence (in case they might pressure them to negotiate?) and the deadline for responding to the Egyptians was the end of September. Had the military known of this, they might have interpreted the military actions differently.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 06:37:41 AM EST
Golda Meir resigned after an inquiry into the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The political leadership was to blame. Even as Egypt's president Sadat was flying into Israel, the Israelis were suspicious it may be a trick, a modern day Trojan Horse and were on full military alert. 😄 Egypt 🇪🇬 Israel 🇮🇱

Golda Meir: 'My heart was drawn to a preemptive strike, but I was scared' | ToI - Sept. 13, 2013 |

Intelligence Failure or Paralysis?

On February 21, a Libyan passenger plane passed through the Egyptian air-defense lines and flew in the direction of Israel's secret installations in Sinai, and the air force brought it down. Then, in April, an Israeli operation against top terrorist commanders in the heart of Beirut rattled the Middle East, and in August, Israel forced a Lebanese passenger plane en route from Beirut to Baghdad to land in a military airfield, mistakenly believing terrorist leader George Habash was on board. All those events incurred an Israeli moral political debt to the United States, which time and again had to pull its chestnuts out of the fire.

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by Oui on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 07:36:09 AM EST
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Golda Meir resigned after an inquiry into the 1973 Yom Kippur War.


Biden was elected President  after an inquiry into the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Also true.

Your statement implies (even it it doesn't make explicitly make such a claim) that this she resigned because of the inquiry. But the inquiry only looked at the military aspects, not the political ones. By intent - this was already controversial at the time.

Golda Meir: 'My heart was drawn to a preemptive strike, but I was scared'

According to Kipnis, this was one of the conditions that Kissinger gave for not pressuring them to negotiate with the Egyptians.

Israel forced a Lebanese passenger plane en route from Beirut to Baghdad to land in a military airfield,

Why is this pure evil when Belarus does it? Because they had better intelligence?

On February 21, a Libyan passenger plane passed through the Egyptian air-defense lines and flew in the direction of Israel's secret installations in Sinai, and the air force brought it down.

According to Kipnis (as usual) the Egyptians frustrated Libyan attempts at vengeance to avoid a wave of sympathy for Israel when Egypt started a war to get back their territory. The PR aspect was a key aspect of the Egyptian strategy, so that as many countries as possible (even Cuba!) would break off relations with Israel. Egypt had lent a submarine to Libya who planned to use it to sink the Queen Mary. Egypt recalled it. Libya planned to attack an El Al plane taking off from Rome with a missile. Marwan leaked the information. I've no idea whether this was with the knowledge of the Egyptians or not, but it certainly made them trust his information even more.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 01:34:46 PM EST
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Nothing has changed

Yom Kippur, the unnecessary war? | LA Times |

His final attempt came at the end of September 1973, just after he became secretary of State. By then, Egyptian and Syrian forces were already being deployed in attack position against Israel.

But the reply he received from the prime minister, as noted in a message passed on to Kissinger by Dinitz only six days before the war broke out, was clear: "A period of elections is not a convenient time for serious discussion."

Kissinger did nothing to force Meir's hand, and a week later, sirens wailed throughout Israel as the war commenced.

There are lessons in this history for today's leaders, both in Israel and the United States. It is important for them to understand that if they fail to act for the good of the state, their failures will be revealed to future generations.

Today, we can see that 40 years ago, many paid a heavy price for the excessive consideration Kissinger showed for the political fortunes of Israel's prime minister. Let's hope the actions of current leaders in Israel and the United States will stand up to scrutiny by the next generation.

by Oui on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 05:54:21 PM EST
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Sadat's War Strategy: Political Gains vs. Military Victory

To bolster Egypt's collapsing economy, Sadat reoriented emphasis in Egypt's relations from the Soviet Union to the Unites States. In his memoir, Sadat described Egypt's relationship with the Soviets as disadvantageous, because "the Russians had practically no relations with anybody." Several obstacles, however, stood in his way. Sadat believed the situation after the 1967 defeat needed to be redressed to regain Egypt's self-confidence and the world's confidence in Egypt. To Sadat, the economic situation was merely one of the facets of the problem.

Another obstacle in the way of reorienting Egypt to the West was the strong relationship between Israel and the United States. Tensions were still high between Israelis and Egyptians. Israel was satisfied with the status quo after capturing the Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula in 1967, which served as potential security buffers. Sadat not only needed to take away Israel's bargaining chips at the negotiating table, but also convince the United States to pressure Israel to even come to the table. After U.S. President Richard Nixon's first trip to the Soviet Union in May 1972, however, the policy of détente was issued jointly between the two superpowers, calling for a military relaxation in the Middle East. Sadat viewed this decision as giving in to Israel.

by Oui on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 05:56:19 PM EST
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Putting political pressure on Israel

I can recall just three US Presidents to put some pressure on Israel ...

Universal principle of self-determination in a post-colonial period - except for the Palestinian people.

When Harry S. Truman took office, he made clear that his sympathies were with the Jews and accepted the Balfour Declaration, explaining that it was in keeping with former President Woodrow Wilson's principle of "self-determination."

by Oui on Thu Sep 16th, 2021 at 06:35:01 PM EST
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German police thwart Islamist Yom Kippur plot to attack synagogue

by Oui on Fri Sep 17th, 2021 at 10:16:12 AM EST

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