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Russian Position Talks with US, NATO and OSCE

by Oui Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 02:33:22 PM EST

A Week of Russia-West Diplomacy Ends in Deadlock

OSCE Chairman Rau: Greatest threat of war in 30 years | Euronews |

Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau, whose country chairs the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) in 2022, warns of a new threat of war given the tensions surrounding Ukraine. "It seems that the risk of war in the OSCE area is greater than at any time in the last 30 years," Rau said on Thursday morning, without mentioning Russia directly, at the presentation of Poland's OSCE Chairmanship program at the Permanent Council in Vienna.


Former Warsaw Pact Territories orphaned

A True Democrat reacts ... so happy he renounced his British citizenship.

Radek Sikorski MEP  @radeksikorski

Get this, @RussianEmbassy, once and for all, in a language you can grasp. We were not orphaned by you because you were not our daddy. More of a serial rapist. Which is why you are not missed. And if you try it again, you'll get a kick in the balls.

Radek Sikorski -- British journalist, intelligence agent "from Oxford to Afghanistan" 1987 Stinger missiles

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's interview on Channel One's "The Great Game" political talk show, Moscow, January 13, 2022

Vyacheslav Nikonov:  We are not in the usual studio in Ostankino but in the Foreign Ministry's historic mansion on Spiridonovka Street. This is where the Limited Test Ban Treaty banning nuclear weapon tests in the atmosphere, in outer space and under water was signed and the first G8 summit took place in 1996.

We are discussing the problems of 2022, which had a most unusual beginning. Everyone expected the year to get off to a rapid start, but not quite in the way it happened. Sergey Lavrov, one of the most influential politicians and diplomats in our country and the world, is at the centre of these events. Dimitri Simes joins us live from Washington.

Now all attention is focused on the European security talks that your deputies conducted in Geneva and Brussels and today in Vienna. Judging by everything, our Western partners have not grasped the imperative character of the Russian proposals expressed in a draft treaty on security with the United States and an agreement with the NATO countries. They are used to talking on their own terms, not as equals. What could you say about these talks? Are they a success or a failure? Are they going better or worse, or about as you expected? What will come next?

Sergey Lavrov: This building hosted another important event in world history. In the autumn of 1943, the foreign ministers of the USSR, Great Britain and the US signed here a declaration that mentioned for the first time after the victory over Nazism the need to establish a global organisation. The term "UN" was not yet used at that time. This is symbolic. Today, we are discussing a situation that is largely the result of Western attempts to call into doubt the universal legitimacy of the UN. The West is replacing international law with its own rules that all others have to follow.

The talks underscore the serious confrontation occurring in the world arena: the West is trying to assert its dominance and to do all it can to achieve what it considers necessary to advance its own interests. This attitude was on full display at the talks. I can confirm that they were businesslike. The West laid out its tough, sometimes arrogant, unyielding and uncompromising position in a generally calm tone, in a businesslike manner. This gives us hope that there will be time to digest the talks held in Washington.

The Russian position was expressed no less forcefully. The arguments were on our side. Like the principle of indivisible security. During the talks, the United States and its NATO allies insisted that our main demand for legal guarantees that NATO will not expand eastward was unrealistic. They argued that NATO has its own procedures: only its member countries decide whom to accept and whom to reject, if a country applies. But instead of the NATO procedures, we returned them again and again to the agreements that were drafted within the framework of the entire Euro-Atlantic community and the OSCE.

Indeed, they interpret the indivisibility of security as the freedom of every country to choose its allies. However, the same sentence reads, without any dots or commas, that this freedom is granted with an understanding that in this context the Participating States "will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States." Not a single country or a group of countries has the right to claim dominant positions in the Euro-Atlantic Region. All these ideas were harmonised in a package and ultimately reaffirmed with the adoption of the Charter for European Security at the OSCE summit in Istanbul in 1999. The West is open to whatever ideas benefit it. We believe that the freedom to choose alliances is an integral part of the unacceptable moves that will undermine the security of Russia and any other state.

Vyacheslav Nikonov: But still, did the talks go as expected, better or worse?

Sergey Lavrov: As expected. I think we know the US negotiators pretty well by now. We have met with them many times for different reasons, including the talks on Iran's nuclear programme and the New START Treaty. We understood basically what the conversation would be like. For us, it was very important to follow a direct instruction of President of Russia Vladimir Putin. He said we should be as tough as possible on all issues of European security. This applies not only to Russia's unilateral demand not to interfere with it and not to do anything that makes us displeased but also to the principles aimed at ensuring the security of all without encroaching on anyone's interests and without harming the security of any state.

Dimitri Simes: You did not and could not expect the United States and NATO to agree to negotiate a ban on the accession of Eastern European countries, primarily Ukraine and Georgia, to NATO. You rightly said that the result was predictable. Listening to your dialogue with officials from the US Administration and US Congress, one begins to realise that Russia's response is not predictable. It was proposed to continue the talks on medium-range missiles (at least that is what the State Department and the White House are saying), on the possible limitation of military exercises and on better informing them about military exercises. With regard to NATO infrastructure advancing to Eastern Europe, I understand, Russia received a firm no. Everyone is wondering how Russia will respond. Continue talks, withdraw or other actions, such as weapons or military action?

Sergey Lavrov: The position outlined by President Vladimir Putin includes legal guarantees against NATO expanding to the East, legal guarantees against deploying offensive weapons in neighbouring territories that pose a threat to Russia's security, and a principled plan for returning the European security architecture to how it was configured in 1997, when the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between NATO and the Russian Federation was signed and used as a basis to create the Russia-NATO Council later. These are the three key requirements. The remaining proposals depend on how we do on these three initiatives.

Indeed, NATO members and the Americans flatly rejected our right to seek the non-expansion of NATO. I have already provided arguments showing that our positions rely not on NATO documents (we have nothing to do with them, just as they have nothing to do with us), but on documents adopted at the highest level at the OSCE, including the 1999 Istanbul summit, where the freedom to choose alliances is directly related to the need to ensure the indivisibility of security, so that no one takes measures in their own interests at the expense of the security of any other state.

Speaking of the OSCE, in 1975, after the Helsinki Final Act was signed, US President Gerald Ford said that: "History will judge this Conference not by what we say here today, but by what we do tomorrow - not by the promises we make, but by the promises we keep." We were made such promises with regard to the non-expansion of NATO. Former US Secretary of State James Baker told General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990 that NATO's military jurisdiction would not move an inch east of the Oder. Later, Prime Minister of Great Britain John Major spoke with Soviet Defence Minister Dmitry Yazov. To a direct question by Minister Yazov, whether we should be concerned about Poland and Hungary's requests to join NATO being approved, John Major said there were no such plans and this matter was not being discussed.

For those who are claiming that no one promised anything to anyone, this situation was described in the memoirs of the British Ambassador to Russia at the turn of the 1990s Rodric Braithwaite which were published in 2002. Surprisingly, no one mentioned them. The book says that all that did happen, and promises were made to Mikhail Gorbachev and other Soviet leaders by people who were in a hurry back then and mainly focused on addressing other more important issues. By making such promises, they allegedly did not mean to mislead anyone. A wonderfully English explanation of the deception that took place back then.

We hope that the recent promises made in Geneva and Brussels will be kept. The United States and NATO promised to put their proposals down on paper. We have repeatedly made it clear to them that we need to have an article-by-article response to our documents. Should they have an issue with any provision, they should clarify why and set it down on paper. If they find a particular provision suitable with one exception, they should put this exception in writing as well. If they want to exclude or add something, they should do so in writing as well. We provided our thoughts in writing a month ago. Washington and Brussels had enough time to do as requested. Both of them promised to respond in writing.

Russia's belief in NATO 'betrayal' - and why it matters today | The Guardian |

Precluded or Precedent-Setting? The "NATO Enlargement Question" in the Triangular Bonn-Washington-Moscow Diplomacy of 1990-1991

... whether the Russians are justified in believing that Gorbachev in 1990 became entrapped by Western rhetoric and cash and that Western countries intentionally deceived him. To pose the question another way: Did Western countries genuinely lack any desire to overcome the East-West divide via new pan-European security constructs? Were U.S. (and West German) officials solely interested in cementing the West's Cold War victory by expanding "Western" influence into Eastern Europe via a viable and transformed NATO.

I Spy

Confessions of a former British spy working near the Kremlin in the 1990s

from my diary ...

Additional reading ...

Misinformation and disgusting propaganda: Russian Bounty Taliban

Moscow accused of trying to give money to the Taliban as part of its campaign to de-stabilize America and its allies

Sir Andrew Wood, Britain's ambassador to Russia from 1995 to 2000, said the allegations were "perfectly plausible", adding: "I don't think it's the sort of thing made up for propaganda purposes. Of course, the Russians would deny it if Vladimir Putin had been photographed shooting someone in the head."

Additional reading ...

More analysis ...

The aggressor across the Middle East since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990 ...

Published for the first time, the 'exceptionally sensitive' letter revealing what was really discussed at Bush's Texas ranch

How Bush and Blair plotted war in Iraq: Read the secret memo in full | MME |

Subject: Prime Minister's visit to the US April 7, 2002.

Bush said he and the PM had discussed Iraq on their own over dinner the previous evening.

At present Centcom had no war plan as such. Thinking ahead so far was on a broad and central level, though a very small Centcom cell had recently been established in conditions of great secrecy to look at the detailed military planning. Condi Rice said 99 per cent of Centcom were unaware of this.

When it had done more work Bush would be ready to agree to UK and US planners sitting down together to examine the options. He wanted us to work through the issues together. Whatever plan emerged we had to ensure victory. We could not afford to fail.

But it would be essential to ensure that acting against Saddam enhanced rather than diminished regional stability. He had therefore reassured the Turks that there was no question of the break-up of Iraq and the emergence of a Kurdish state.

But there were nevertheless a number of imponderables. He didn't know who would take Saddam's place if and when we toppled him. But he didn't much care. He was working on the assumption that anyone would be an improvement.

Nevertheless Bush accepted we needed to manage the PR aspect of all this with great care.

He accepted we needed to put Saddam on the spot over the UN inspectors, we should tell him that we wanted proof of his claim that he was not developing WMDs. This could only be forthcoming if UN inspectors were allowed in on the basis that they could go anywhere inside Iraq at any time.

Bush added that Saddam could not be allowed to have any say over the nationality or composition of the inspection team.

He said the timing of any action against Saddam would be very important. He would not want to launch any operation before the US Congressional elections in the autumn. Otherwise he would be accused of warmongering for electoral benefit.

In effect this meant there was a window of opportunity between the beginning of November and the end of February.

'Although we may not decide to do it this year at all.'

The PM said no one could doubt the world would be a better place if there were regime change in Iraq. But in going down the inspectors route, we would have to give careful thought to how we framed the ultimatum to Saddam to allow them to do their job.

Saddam would very probably try to obstruct the inspectors and play for time. This was why it was so important we insisted they must be allowed in at any time and be free to visit any place or installation.

The PM said we needed an accompanying PR strategy that highlighted the risks of Saddam's WMD programme and his appalling human rights record. Bush strongly agreed.

Tony Blair: 'I express more sorrow, regret and apology than you can ever believe'

Tony Blair's ultimate reward  ... hundreds of thousands of lives lost. After Afghanistan and Iraq, we went into Libya and Syria with similar disastrous consequences leading to millions of displaced persons. The stream of refugees flooded neighboring countries with the overflow into Europe. The result extreme xenophobia which led to Brexit and extreme rightwing populist leaders upsetting society and creating division. There will no easy recovery.

The British Queen and Human Rights - Racism, moral grasp of Right and Wrong.

My very first visit to a film theater and watch a BBC news reel from England ... the Coronation of a young Queen Elizabeth.

'The Saudis couldn't do it without us': the UK's true role in Yemen's deadly war | The Guardian |

Vision of Swede Carl Bildt ...

Recent diaries  ...


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by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 03:54:21 PM EST
Geez ... an hack on Ukraine government .. Is not a member of EU ... never a member of NATO aggression ...

by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 03:55:32 PM EST
by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 03:57:19 PM EST

Translation:
The British Government confirmed that it has formally apologized to Elizabeth II for two parties that were held at its DowningStreet headquarters on the eve of the funeral, on April 17, of Prince Philip, which the sovereign continued to sit alone and wearing a mask.

by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 03:58:05 PM EST
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"parties"? I thought they were business meetings. Now they've become parties to celebrate the death of Prince Philip?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 04:41:03 PM EST
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The other party of 100 in the garden as continuing a hard day's Labour ... bring your own booze. These two were on eve of burial as a farewell party ...

Night live  ... basement dancing, the suitcase of wine wheeled in, the spills and stains on the carpets - one of the revellers apparently broke Wilfred Johnson's garden swing.

by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 04:55:56 PM EST
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My understanding is, in some cultures, this event is known as a "wake" (no semantic relation to "woke").
by Cat on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 01:47:36 AM EST
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by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 10:42:34 PM EST

Maidan social media bots red hot pushing disinformation

The Kremlin has operatives already in Ukraine, laying the groundwork for an invasion, say Biden officials | Politico |

by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 10:46:34 PM EST
by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Jan 14th, 2022 at 11:38:52 PM EST
Of course Russia has no plans or intentions to "attack" Ukraine.  Russia considers Ukraine its territory, so it's just going to "reoccupy" it.
by rifek on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 12:35:43 AM EST
Will just reverse the coup d'etat of Feb. 2014 ... but will separate the Nazi legions in a sovereign province. The green men will be replaced by their peacekeepers. 🙄

Won't happen of course. Push is for talks ... not war. The West has used scare tactics.

by Oui on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 12:46:10 AM EST
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Do you have some actual deeds or statements to support this "fact" or is it just something you assume against all the evidence?
by pelgus on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 07:17:04 AM EST
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Today's lazy man's journalism is a defense ministry's briefing room note-taker.
by Oui on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 08:55:19 AM EST
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Traveling by public transport in The Hague ...

Overheard Jaap De Hoop Scheffer exasperating about the tough talks with Putin as SG of NATO in Brussels.

Face to face in a casual moment Putin said, "I very much prefer to deal with your wife Jeanine than with you."

I personally know both Jeannine and Jaap ... I can second that observation. 😂

Former SG of NATO: "The West should respect the red lines of Russia."

Speaks modern languages fluently ... especially French:

Jeannine on the world stage

by Oui on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 12:41:33 PM EST
In case hostilities start in Ukraine, the Biden administration is looking at contingency planning to offer gas supplies. Idiotic ... diplomacy, no more war!

by Oui on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 12:54:19 PM EST
That contingency may come in need, but only because Zelensky already warned EU that Ukraine needs to siphon off some of the gas from the pipeline. The gas EU already paid to Gazprom to deliver.

Luckily there's no energy crisis or anything right now.

by pelgus on Sat Jan 15th, 2022 at 04:47:26 PM EST
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Basic problem: "Russian Position Talks with US, NATO and OSCE"

For how much longer is the US going to be sticking its fingers into European geopolitics? Alternatively, for how much longer is Europe going to rely on the US sticking its fingers into European geopolitics?

The focus should be on climate change and China, not on the threats of a minor power trying to leverage its natural resources in a seller's market.

by asdf on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 04:10:17 PM EST
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Why can't we give a double  '4' @ET?
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 04:16:46 PM EST
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Shipments from outside the EU-27 for lethal weapons ... NATO friends deliver.

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:03:32 PM EST
UK gives Ukraine anti-tank weapons as Canada sends special forces | Al Jazeera |

Supply of thousands of anti tank missiles to #Ukraine must be an agreed UK/USA policy. They're calling Russia's bluff. God knows where it's going to end. Does Putin quietly back down or does he order an attack before the weapons are on the ground? Huge stakes for all of us.

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:11:45 PM EST
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Tutoring from the Master himself ...

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:13:47 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:16:19 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:18:08 PM EST
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After her quick visits to France, EU and NATO HQ in Brussels, Poland and now Ukraine, Germany is set for a "Green" military policy cutting off Nord Stream 2. Oil prices are rising so soon the US shale will be producing again for the global supply.

Instant Military Cookbook or else a Quick NATO Strategy for Dummies ...

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:20:05 PM EST
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Quantitatively, Nord Stream is completely redundant.

Its only justification is to take the nuisance value of Ukraine out of the picture.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 04:07:20 PM EST
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I don't think Russia is interest in talking with NATO until USA responds to their proposal.

On the other hand, since the crisis is almost completely in the heads of the Western politicians, it should be easy to solve. Today I saw a hysterical news that Russia was moving some Iskanders closer to Ukraine - in Siberia. Two batteries, and they were still 4000+ kilometers away. I guess one has to keep on coming up with newer "threats" since Russia is refusing to cooperate with this invasion thing.

Also today I read a bunch of "analyses" of a Russian cargo plane that flew over Finland along the path assigned for it. Only one expert pointed out that a cargo plane can't do much spying even if it wanted to. All the others were trying to figure out what kind of "threat" it could have been.

Just like Swedish Air Force went to take pictures of the Russian transport ships entering the Baltic Sea, like ships wouldn't have to report to the traffic control in Kattegat before passage.

If the "true history" of this era is ever written, it will be the eternal shame of journalists for all times.

by pelgus on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:42:22 PM EST
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NATO: Russia Stationing Ballistic Missiles On Our Borders! | Feb. 7, 2018 |

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev announced plans to position short-range missiles in the western Russian territory of Kaliningrad, located on the EU's eastern border between Lithuania and Poland. Medvedev justified the move as a reaction to US plans to set up a missile defense shield in Poland.

Missile Defence Base in Redzikowo Targeted by the Iskanders from the Kaliningrad Oblast | Defense24 |

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 06:22:15 PM EST
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Translation:
About 100 recruits of the Novosibirsk branch of the Strategic Missile Forces took the Military Oath

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:22:41 PM EST
My bad ... has the guts to visit Gazprom HQ

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 05:24:14 PM EST
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by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 08:40:12 PM EST
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Here is the oath:
I, (the name of the person),
Swear with a formal ceremony
To be devoted to my Motherland--
The Russian Federation.
I swear to comply with
The Constitution of the Russian Federation, Fulfil all the requirements
Of Military Regulations, Commanders' orders. I swear to meet all military obligations,
Protect bravely freedom, independence, And constitutional regime of Russia, People and my Motherland.
Nothing about obeying the orders of the President, and no references to God. This shows how evil they are.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 06:31:06 PM EST
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Affirmation of the Principles of International Law recognized by the
Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal General Assembly resolution 95 (I)

New York, 11 December 1946

General Assembly resolution 95 (I) was adopted on 11 December 1946 on the initiative of the United States delegation. The adoption of this resolution followed the judgment of 1 October 1946 by the International Military Tribunal (`IMT') at Nürnberg which sentenced twelve Nazi defendants to death and seven to periods of imprisonment ranging from ten years to life. The agreement for the establishment of the IMT had been signed in London on 8 August 1945. Attached to this agreement was "The Charter of the International Military Tribunal" (`the IMT Charter').

In resolution 95 (I), the General Assembly affirmed the principles of international law recognized by the Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal and the judgment of the Tribunal (`the Nürnberg principles'). By "affirming" those principles, the General Assembly (consisting at the time of fifty-five Member States) clearly intended to express its approval of and support for the general concepts and legal constructs of criminal law that could be derived from the IMT Charter and had been set out, either explicitly or implicitly, by the IMT. Translated into law-making terms, this approval and support meant that the world community had robustly set in motion the process for turning the principles at issue into general principles of customary law binding on member States of the whole international community.

The Nuremberg Trials at 75 - JAG

"There were some senior Allied leaders who believed that the guilt of major Nazi leaders was "so black" that they should be summarily executed."

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 07:27:54 PM EST
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The propaganda started by Ukraine accusing Russia of dropping agents inside its territory to prepare a "false flag" attack .... were completely FALSE. Ukraine 🇺🇦 Kiev Lviv #nazis.

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator | Times of Israel - Jan. 1, 2022 |

From the diaries ...

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 06:07:49 PM EST

CIA director quietly visits Ukraine - U.S. media

According to sources, Burns in Kyiv "had consultations with intelligence colleagues" about Russia's possible invasion of Ukraine. In addition, according to American media, the CIA chief held meetings with the leadership of Ukraine.

Burns had the opportunity to discuss the current situation with President Zelensky and efforts to de-escalate tensions," the report reads.

CNN correspondent Natasha Bertrand, who covers issues related to U.S. national security in the White House, also commented on the CIA chief's visit to Ukraine.

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 12:12:17 AM EST
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Dutchman Derk Sauer founder and publisher of The Moscow Times

Kerry Preaching Policy Contra Russia @Atlantic Council |  May 1, 2014 |

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 08:01:01 PM EST

Featuring John Mearsheimer - University of Chicago - Why is Ukraine the West's Fault?

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 08:02:13 PM EST
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by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 08:03:17 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 08:04:38 PM EST
Fearing an Invasion, Swedes send military to Gotland ...

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:35:43 PM EST

Fler soldater och militära fordon har anlänt till Visby

A military transport plane landed at Visby airport on Friday night, filled with personnel and materiel and according to information to Dagens Nyheter, it is about hundreds of soldiers from Norrbotten's regiment and the defense emergency services.

"I do not think that this should be seen as particularly dramatic, but as an obvious adaptation of our measures linked to what is happening in the outside world," says Michael Claesson, the Swedish Armed Forces' chief of operations.

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:37:41 PM EST
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Is Carl Bildt still hunting those invisible Russian mini-subs in their coastline?

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:39:10 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:40:29 PM EST
 😂 get me more popcorn 🍿 🍿

by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:41:39 PM EST
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by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 09:42:49 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:59:59 PM EST
Gone was his usual smirk, it got me (more) worried.

The US and NATO refused to start serious talks ... not treating Putin with at least diplomatic courtesy, the strong military alliance dose no allow any leniency. The stalemate will lead to uncertainty and the failure to keep any talks continuing leads to unpredictability. WTF is Stoltenberg messing with strategic domestic issues of a sovereign Germany? Ukraine will not lead to an Article 5 decision by NATO. Get the military hot heads out of the way.  

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 12:01:35 AM EST
Baerbock has internalized a dual strategy | Tageschau |

In order to prevent horror scenarios of this kind, the German government is also relying on the dual strategy of pressure and dialogue, of offers of talks and clear announcements, which has long been familiar when dealing with Russia.

Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock demonstrated in Moscow that she had internalized this shortly after taking office: She spoke of the "common European house" but also of common rules that need to be defended: "Even if it comes at a high economic price." The unmistakable hint that it will be expensive for Russia if it dares to attack Ukraine.

The Green politician took little home with her in terms of tangible promises. But the certainty that she did not let the experienced and feared Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov show her up, as many had predicted. And the certainty that Russia has not cut the much-cited thread of conversation in front of the cameras.

There is only one option ... for NATO to backtrack on its aggression towards Russia.

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 12:02:14 AM EST
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by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 12:27:23 AM EST
by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:37:33 PM EST

Presently listening to Press Conference Antony Blinken and FM Dmytra Kuleba. Clearly a change of heart, less arrogance, attempt to seek path of diplomacy. Will meet Russian FM Lavrov in Geneva on Friday. Hope returns. 🙏🏽

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:40:32 PM EST
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by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:41:13 PM EST
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Does that mean Ukraine is finally going to follow trough with the Minsk Agreement?

Nah, the only way to make them do that is for the NATO to close the door from them. Or for somebody (Russia?) to change the "Zelensky regime" to one that is actually looking for peace and diplomatic solutions.

How long the likes of Kuleba and Blinken will keep on hyperventilating if those arrogant Russkies won't play ball and actually invade the wretched country?

by pelgus on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:56:11 PM EST
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A carefully worded statement from Blinken ...

Had some harsh words for the government of Ukraine to end corruption and improve judiciary. Ukrainians need to stick together, unify the nation in their shared national interest.

Ukraine is in the center of two weeks of talks ... nothing is done without your government all Ukrainians should place trust in a political way forward.

Russia tries to divide, place a financial burden on Ukraine. Blinken spoke about a path forward with the Bucharest Nine and talks in Normandy format Germany and France.

The Bucharest Nine (B9) was established on Poland's and Romania's initiative. It comprises countries on NATO eastern border - Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Romania Slovakia and Hungary.

* Rumsfeld called the group New Europe

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 03:59:55 PM EST

Blinken says Russia could double troops on Ukraine's borders in 'short order'

by Oui on Wed Jan 19th, 2022 at 05:35:18 PM EST
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Useless person ...

These are not courtesy visits ... you come to do business, get matters solved.

by Oui on Thu Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:50:32 PM EST
As EU prez, Macron pretends he wants a dialogue with Russia, but to his armies, he announces more integration in NATO operations
http://www.opex360.com/2022/01/20/voeux-aux-armees-m-macron-fait-limpasse-sur-le-mali-et-evoque-une- participation-accrue-aux-missions-de-lotan/
by Tom2 on Mon Jan 24th, 2022 at 06:41:10 PM EST
A journalist on RFI yesterday was interviewing people in a town near the Ukr/Rus border, and made all efforts to emphasize his surprise that people were not storing food etc. It reminded me of Iraq and Syria. Disgusting pressures acquainted to psyop where supposed neutral parties (journalists, NGOs) are playing the share assigned to them. Some are intelligent enough to realize, but probably greedy as well.
And today it was the EU and Ukraine stating that the call back of USUK diplomats was odd.
What a bunch of idiots are ruling us.
by Tom2 on Mon Jan 24th, 2022 at 06:48:18 PM EST


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