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US Losing Unity In Ukraine War

by Oui Sun Nov 6th, 2022 at 01:41:06 PM EST

Facing a long war against Russia, a new step in war propaganda: "We are open for talks, even as Putin has not been dislodged." #RegimeChange  is our business. #humanrights

The United States is privately encouraging Ukraine to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia, the Washington Post reports, as the State Department says Moscow is escalating the war and does not seriously wish to engage in peace talks.

The newspaper cited unnamed sources as saying the request by American officials was not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but a calculated attempt to ensure Kyiv maintains the support of other nations.

US and Ukrainian officials acknowledged that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's ban on talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin had generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war's effects on costs of food and fuel are felt most sharply, the Post said.

"Ukraine fatigue is a real thing for some of our partners," it quoted an unnamed US official as saying.


As winter sets in, the Europeans will continue their suffering of inflation, poverty, energy crisis and further businesses shutting down. Many, many small businesses across the nation making a living for many decades, cannot survive the attack on their livelihood.

Ukrainian culture exploited by America and Atlantic West ... denial of neo-Nazi problem. Baltic states and Waffen SS.

What is Latvia Thinking? | @EuroTrib - March 2006 |

Latvian SS march sparks clashes

Latvian SS march sparks clashes | BBC News - March 16, 2005 |

I had read in various Latvian press briefings that this year would be different <sigh>. It was not...

The march in the capital was sanctioned by the Latvian authorities and took place amidst heavy police presence.

But it was interrupted by skirmishes which broke out as marchers came across the anti-fascists' human chain.

The protesters, mostly from the pro-Russian Rodina or Motherland organisation, were wearing striped clothes and yellow stars of David in a reference to the SS atrocities in Latvia, which lost 90% of its Jewish population in World War II.

Estonia Celebrates Annual Waffen SS Division Heroes | @BooMan - July 26, 2014 |

Biden never wanted to avoid war, nor was he personally willing to sit at the table with Vladimir Putin to reach abandoned settlement whether on Syria or the Ukraine. People suffering is the "price of freedom."

With Ukraine taking firmer stance, peace talks grind to a halt | Japan Times - May 18, 2022 |

After weeks of trying to hammer out a peace deal, negotiators for Russia and Ukraine appear further apart than at any other point in the nearly three-month-long war, with the talks having collapsed in a thicket of public recriminations.

Vladimir Medinsky, head of President Vladimir Putin's delegation, claims that Russia has still not received a response to a draft peace agreement that it submitted to Ukraine on April 15.

Rustem Umerov, a top Ukrainian negotiator, responded by saying that Russia was operating with "fakes and lies."

"We are defending ourselves," Umerov said in an interview. "If Russia wants to get out, they can get out to their borders even today. But they are not doing it."

Both sides further played down the prospects of a deal. Another Ukrainian negotiator, Mykhailo Podolyak, issued a statement saying that the talks were "on pause" and that given Russia's faltering offensive, the Kremlin "will not achieve any goals."

Andrei Rudenko, a Russian deputy foreign minister, told reporters that "Ukraine has practically withdrawn from the negotiating process," the Interfax news agency reported.

Ukraine: Extreme cold means extreme conditions for those living on the Line of Contact | Reach-Initiative - July 23, 2018 |

The conflict in Ukraine entered its fifth year this winter, and the ongoing fighting has meant that populations affected by the violence continue to struggle to meet basic humanitarian needs and access markets and services. The challenges faced by civilians in conflict affected regions become even more pertinent as temperatures drop during winter months routinely plummeting to minus 20 degrees Celsius.

According to the assessment, winter conditions negatively impacted households by, for example, deepening barriers in accessing basic services, increasing pressure on finances due to high utility costs and intensifying protection concerns due to land mines and the need to fetch firewood from forests. Rural households faced additional difficulties in traveling long distances to health and education facilities as poor weather conditions made roads unfeasible. The difficulties in accessing services were noted to be coupled with the high rate of respondents reporting additional health concerns during winter.

This is what it's like to live through freezing winter in a war zone | UNHCR - ReliefWeb |

After the midterms, the Republican Congress will seek to impeach Joe for his political misdeeds. Payback for HRC and US intelligence agencies and blown-up RussiaGate accusations against the former president. Two more years of great instability in America. #democracysinking #notocivilwar

Rishi Sunak commits to Ukraine ... but Kyiv still dreams of Boris Johnson | Politico |

A source close to the Ukrainian government lamented that Sunak has said "virtually nothing about defending Europe except that there will be budget cuts in national defense [compared with Truss' long-term plans]."

A Baltic ambassador to the U.K. said it was "important" for the region to see Sunak sticking to the 3 percent target, and warned "his credentials are not in foreign policy and defense." Sunak's immediate predecessors in Downing Street, Truss and Johnson, had both served as foreign secretary before entering No. 10.

Other European allies are already resigned to a scaling-back of the boost to the U.K. defense budget, but do not believe the rise of Sunak will see Britain actively change course.

"Given the fact that the [U.K.] economic situation is so bad, all sectors will probably have to play their part [in spending cuts]," an EU diplomat said. "But there's no split in the [Conservative] party when it comes to the fundamentals of how to act in Ukraine."

Britain's approach to Russia and China will be set out in a refresh of the government's Integrated Review of security, defense and foreign policy, initiated by Truss, which looks set to continue under Sunak's leadership.

Dreaming of BoJo

In Ukraine, however, it is Sunak's former boss -- and deadly rival -- Johnson whose departure as prime minister is still lamented far and wide. His brief, abortive attempt at a comeback last week further disappointed fans.

Report on comprehensive evacuation plans

Klitschko warns of blackout in Kyiv

Zelenskyj announces fundraising for a new fleet of sea drones + Strack-Zimmermann questions Swiss ammunition veto + USA apparently encourage Ukraine to talk to Russia + Der Newsblog


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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 6th, 2022 at 06:03:48 PM EST
Formerly was part of Clingendael peace institute, has managed to make a living advocating right wing rhetoric with new partner in The Hague Security Institute HCSS Arend-Jan Boekestijn. Both are war hawks.

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US says behind the scenes that Zelensky must negotiate because Ukraine threatens fatigue, especially as allies fear the economic consequences of the war. Exactly what Russia wants.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 7th, 2022 at 07:56:40 PM EST
A sample of the MSM following official bull$hit from unofficial sources inside US government ...

U.S. confirms it held talks with Kremlin over nuclear threat; Ukraine hit by emergency power shutdowns | CNBC - Nov. 8, 2022 |

In other news, White House national security advisor Jake Sullivan confirmed reports that the U.S. had talked to the Kremlin recently in a bid to lower the rhetoric around the possible use of nuclear weapons.

Speaking at an event at the Economic Club of New York on Monday, Sullivan did not say he had been engaged in direct talks but noted he had said repeatedly that "we have channels to communicate with the Russian Federation at senior levels," Reuters reported.

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As I was quoting from article, a whole chapter on ruble recovery was deleted in an update. I knew it was sourced by Reuters (behind pay-wall) so I needed to do a bit of search ...

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 05:28:22 PM EST
Russian rouble hits over two-week high vs dollar

The Russian rouble rose to a two-week high past 61 per dollar on Tuesday, clinging on to large gains made in the previous session, thanks in part to still-high oil prices.

By 1101 GMT, the rouble was 0.2% stronger against the dollar at 60.87, earlier clipping its strongest point since Oct. 21 of 60.8275.

It had gained 0.3% to trade at 60.77 versus the euro and had firmed 0.7% against the yuan to 8.36 .

"We expect the rouble to weaken in the course of trading," said Banki.ru Chief Analyst Bogdan Zvarich. "A correction on the energy market and a lower supply of foreign currency from exporters could put pressure on the rouble."

The rouble is the world's best-performing currency this year, supported by capital controls and an initial collapse in imports as a result of Western sanctions on Russia over its actions in Ukraine, and scores of foreign companies pausing operations in the country.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said he was open to talks with Russia, days after a Washington Post report that the United States wanted Ukraine to signal its willingness for negotiations, concerned that by appearing too intransigent, Kyiv might harm its case for international support.

"Despite the denials, which are not surprising, that should provide some support to both Russian equities and the rouble over the near term," said Alfa Bank in a note.

Brent crude oil, a global benchmark for Russia's main export, was down 1% at $96.9 a barrel, though not far from the more than two-month high reached in the previous session.



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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 05:31:19 PM EST
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FX trading jargon is perverse.
The Russian rouble rose to a two-week high past 61 per dollar on Tuesday, clinging on to large gains made in the previous session, thanks in part to still-high oil prices.
RUB FX val is less than,  it was at the start of the trading day.

A "strong" RUB would approximate parity value with USD, EUR; but that trend is exactly what the CBR has wanted to avoid since March 2022.

RUB strongest "gain" in value to USD was Feb 2013, USD:RUB, 1:30.11.

Why? 1. RU plans to exit USD reserve trading; 2. RUB par val to USD (RUB≥USD, 1≥1) cancels discounted cash value of RU goods sold per unit to emerging market trade "partners" with whom RU banks maintain bi-lateral transaction settlement agreements.

by Cat on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:47:59 PM EST
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Zelensky Will Talk After Russia's Defeat In Crimea

Estados Unidos pide en privado a Ucrania que se abra a negociar con Rusia, según 'The Washington Post'

Las autoridades estadounidenses piden a Kiev un gesto de cara a los países que están apoyando a su Gobierno para poder hacer frente a la invasión y sus consecuencias

... Zelensky acknowledges that if Putin leaves the Crimean peninsula, which Russia has occupied since 2014, and the other Ukrainian regions where his troops are now, he would be willing to sit down with him, as he stated in an interview with EL PAÍS on Wednesday.

Nothing suggests that this will happen in the short term, but, as the Ukrainian president's own environment points out, it is a change from the position shown in recent weeks by Zelenski, who went so far as to say that he would never sit down with the Russian leader. Moreover, he passed a decree in October declaring it "impossible" to engage in talks with Putin, although he leaves the door open to talks with Russia.

"We are ready for peace, a just peace," the president said in a speech on Friday, but clarifying that it must be achieved within the framework of the UN and the territorial integrity of his country. He also demanded that those responsible be punished and that Russia compensate Ukraine for all the damage caused. Shortly before uttering these words, Zelensky had received Jake Sullivan, White House National Security Adviser.



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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 09:00:15 PM EST
Nuland-Pyatt Tape Removed From YouTube After 8 Years | Scheerpost - May 2022 |

Article has copy of transcript conversation

The removal of a video that had existed online for eight years raises major questions as it comes during the war in Ukraine. Corporate media has studiously avoided mentioning the causes of the current conflict, including NATO eastward expansion, the rejected Moscow treaty proposals in December, the civil war in Donbass and the 2014 coup in Kiev that led to the Donbass uprising and violent repression by the coup government.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call | BBC News - Feb. 7, 2014 |

In my diaries I covered the crucial weeks leading up to the Maidan Massacre and its aftermath with Russian speaking Ukrainians living in the South-East and Donbas.

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 09:04:10 PM EST
Regime Change In Ukraine - Who Bugged Nuland, An Embarrassment | Feb. 7, 2014 |

QUESTION: -- now, once we get into it. Quite apart from the colorful language that is used in reference to the European Union, the conversation appears to - well, doesn't appear to suggest, it does - the conversation shows that the United States certainly has - or at least officials within the U.S. Government have certain opinions about certain Ukrainian opposition leaders and others. And I'm wondering how that squares with your repeated insistence that every - all of this is up to the Ukrainians to decide themselves.

MS. PSAKI: It's not inconsistent in the least bit. It is no secret that Ambassador Pyatt and Assistant Secretary Nuland have been working with the Government of Ukraine, with the opposition, with business and civil society leaders to support their efforts, and it shouldn't be a surprise that at any point, there have been discussions about recent events and offers and what is happening on the ground. And as you know, Assistant Secretary Nuland is on the ground right now continuing our efforts in that regard.

It remains the case that it is up to the Ukrainian people themselves to decide their future. It is up to them to determine their path forward, and that's a consistent message that we're conveying publicly and privately.



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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 09:05:35 PM EST
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Related reading ...

Jake Sullivan the Clinton years as national security advisor | PBS - Oct. 26, 2017 |

In Ukraine The U.S. Is Risking War | Nov. 12, 2022 |

There is fear in Russia that the U.S. is egging the Ukraine into a renewed active conflict with its renegade eastern Donbass region and thereby into a war with Russia.

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 09:06:51 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 8th, 2022 at 09:13:48 PM EST
#Kherson



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 9th, 2022 at 06:26:35 PM EST
The Russian army leaves Kherson: a flight or a cunning trap?

The order to withdraw Russian troops across the Dnieper River may be an attempt to lure the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the city and impose street fighting.

On Wednesday, November 9, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ordered the withdrawal of Russian army units across the Dnieper River in the Kherson region. However, this retreat may turn out to be both another "goodwill gesture" and a cunning trap for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

TSN.ua has collected everything that is known now about the situation around the de-occupation of the only large Ukrainian city captured by the Russians at the beginning of a full-scale invasion.

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"Kherson and nearby settlements cannot be fully provided and function under the current conditions," Surovikin said.

Shoigu seemed to have agreed to the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson, citing the fact that "the life and health of Russian servicemen are always a priority."



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 9th, 2022 at 06:27:11 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 9th, 2022 at 08:15:26 PM EST
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Pepe might have been right on that one, nego channel initiated with further moves by Scholz in China, EU/india waivers for sanctions (which nl got first as usual), public call for nego from the red side in exchange, as if cornered.
All in all what we have is still a bleeding eu and a smart move to let the long planned escalation hanging somewhere on eu heads while the locals start to revolt.
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 9th, 2022 at 08:17:19 PM EST
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  • Two people have been killed in an explosion in Przewodow, a village in eastern Poland near the border with Ukraine. Polish authorities have not yet confirmed the cause of the blast.
  • Russia's defence ministry has denied that its missiles hit the NATO member state.

Zelensky declares Article 5 must be invoked.

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 15th, 2022 at 08:34:19 PM EST

Translation:
Unofficially: two stray rockets fell in the town of Przewodów in the Lublin Voivodeship, near the border with Ukraine. They hit the grain silos. Two people died. The police, the prosecutor's office and the army are on site.

Great opportunity for a battered Ukraine to send a shopping list to the Pentagon for sophisticated air defenses and modern F-16 fighter jets. 🇺🇦 #WeAreNato

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 15th, 2022 at 08:49:28 PM EST
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NATO envoys hold emergency meeting after deadly missile strike in Poland | Le Monde |

The explosion in Poland, a NATO member, immediately sparked concerns that the alliance might be drawn directly into Russia's nearly nine-month war against Western-backed Ukraine.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, also in Bali, warned it was "absolutely essential to avoid escalating the war in Ukraine".

European Union chief Charles Michel said he was "shocked," and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken pledged to "remain closely coordinated in the days ahead as the investigation proceeds and we determine appropriate next steps."

'Significant escalation'

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had earlier said two Russian missiles hit Poland in what he described as "a very significant escalation." Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba rejected as a "conspiracy theory" the idea that the Poland blast may have been caused by a surface-to-air missile fired by Kyiv's forces.

Russia's defence ministry meanwhile dismissed reports that it was to blame as a "provocation" intended to escalate tensions.



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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 15th, 2022 at 08:52:03 PM EST
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to exit the War of Northern Aggression with a boat load of "reparations" during this Biden "winter pause". Or more PL AF deployed to Donbas.

Until today, MSM has reported exactly zero RF shelling Poland. Also, zero UA shelling Belgorod.

by Cat on Tue Nov 15th, 2022 at 11:22:30 PM EST
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Stream TVP Poland

Translation:
There was an explosion in the Hrubieszów district, which led to the death of two Polish citizens, a government spokesman confirmed on Tuesday evening, referring to the explosion in Przewodów. The head of the National Security Bureau, Jacek Siewiera, informed that Andrzej Duda had spoken with the secretary general of the North Atlantic Alliance and a verification had been undertaken as to whether Art. 4 NATO. At the same time, it was reported that Poland is increasing the combat readiness of some units in the country.

See also: The Pentagon commented on the explosions in the Lublin region on the border with Ukraine [VIDEO]

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 15th, 2022 at 09:48:40 PM EST
Responding to a question as to whether the was fired from Russia, Biden said.

There is preliminary information that contests that. I don't want to say that until we completely investigate.

But it is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we'll see."

The president added that it was "unlikely" the missile was fired from Russia possibly due to the weapon's trajectory.
He described Russia's continued missile attacks on Ukraine as "totally unconscionable".



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 02:51:15 AM EST
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Headline US News This Morning

    "Poland calls missile that killed 2 'Russian-made,' Biden says it's 'unlikely' it was fired from Russia"

Implication of a false flag attack after some pressure from Washington DC to negotiate instead of escalate?

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 06:29:26 AM EST
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A bit skewed to favor NATO ...

A Timeline Conflict In Ukraine | Western View CFR |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:38:33 AM EST
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Hinweise auf Flugabwehrrakete aus der Ukraine | FAZ |

The Radio Zet journalist who first reported on the event wrote on Twitter that his military sources said there were many indications of debris from a missile launched by Ukrainian air defenses. The AP news agency, citing US officials, also reported that, according to initial findings, it was a missile that Ukrainian soldiers apparently fired to repel a Russian missile. According to a report by the AFP agency, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba denied that a Ukrainian missile could have landed in Poland.

In his evening video address, Ukrainian PresidentVolodymyr Zelenskyy spoke of Russian missiles that had hit Polish territory: "Today happened what we have been warning of for a long time. The terror is not limited to the borders of our state." According to the Russian state news agency Ria Novosti, the Russian Defense Ministry described the reports from Poland as "a provocation aimed at further escalating the situation". Russian forces did not strike near the Polish-Ukrainian border. However, according to Polish media reports, the incident happened in the afternoon, at the same time as the massive Russian rocket attacks on Ukraine began. 



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:13:45 AM EST
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Maybe they learnt the lesson from the downing of Siberia 1812 instead.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 12:28:12 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 12:00:23 PM EST
#$topWar  ☮️  #$topNato



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 12:42:42 PM EST

#$topSanctions #$topFascism

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 12:45:51 PM EST
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"What's In A Name"



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 01:28:47 PM EST
Poor choice of European states in a single year ...



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 01:30:29 PM EST
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Ukraine wants access to the impact site in Poland

2:01 p.m .: Ukraine requests access to a missile impact site in Poland . Ukraine is seeking a joint investigation into the incident and wants to see information that would lead Western countries to conclude that the missile was a Ukrainian missile, said Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's National Security Council.



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 01:34:03 PM EST

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There is no indication that this was an intentional attack on Poland - the President
@AndrzejDuda.

After the meeting between the President of the Republic of Poland and the Prime Minister @MorawieckiM, ministers and military commanders, a meeting of the National Security Council is underway in the Presidential Palace. #RBN

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 01:34:48 PM EST
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Had great difficulty to mutter the following statement .... ehh .. it was ... not .. a deliberate .. attack ... on a NATO ally ... [sigh]

Live: 'No indication of deliberate attack' on Poland, NATO's Stoltenberg says

Answering questions or in Jens' terms: beating about the bush [start 1:20min].

Q.: Has there been any communication between NATO and the Russian authorities even on a technical level ... over the past 24 hours regarding Russian activities close to NATO's borders ... thank you.

J.S.:  [Loud voice} We have multiple lines of communication so we can communicate with Russia in different ways ... as NATO and as allies but I cannot go into details to exactly what kind of contacts there have been over the last 24 hours.

The most used term in operations has been "peacekeeping" and defensive pact by NATO. Never, never caught truly as a force to deescalate hostilities or bring about a solutions parties can except. NATO has become a force of evil ever since the first time the operation on an Article 5 war footing. War on Terror and Forever War.

NATO and Georgia: Beyond the Open Door | Jamestown - 2012 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 03:31:28 PM EST
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by Cat on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 06:56:40 PM EST
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CNN | US defense head: No contradiction of assessment that Ukrainian defense missile caused Polish explosion, 16 Nov
Russia made Ukrainian anti-aircraft operators miss Russia's barrage of missiles 35 km away from the Polish hamlet.
by Cat on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:06:19 PM EST
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No matter what, it's Putin's fault ... onward we march to WW3.

After exit Boris Johnson, collecting the most Pinocchios 🤥🤥🤥 is Mark Rutte.

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Do you know what diplomacy is? Apply it once instead of always stirring up this war and stick to the facts. Also those of the past 10 years.

Your unending war rhetoric is getting pretty stale Mark! #$topNato

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:43:41 PM EST
Dutch news:

"No matter where the missile that hit Poland on Tuesday came from, "this would not have happened without Russia's horrific attacks against Ukraine," Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Wednesday morning after meeting with the G7 and NATO members present at the G20 summit in Bali. "We continue to support Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression."

The missile hit the east of Poland, near the Ukrainian border, killing at least two people. Poland is investigating. Polish President Andrzej Duda said that the missile was "most probably" Russian-made, but its origins have yet to be verified...".

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Rutte does the same as Duda did. Blame Russia anyway. Variation by Rutte: ""No matter where the missile that hit Poland on Tuesday came from, this would not have happened without the 2014 US and EU orchestrated coup".

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:45:49 PM EST
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On Bali everyone went into NATO and G7 attack mode ... based on what reports? From Duda in Poland? From Zelensky in Ukraine demanding an Article 5 reaction?

Biden refused to speculate, nor gave any comment until military intelligence forwarded details of satellite imaging ... the trajectory proved it wasn't a Russian incoming missile. Ukraine, Poland and aggressive neighboring states were forced to make an about-face. A very critical lesson learned not to step into an ally provocation.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:51:47 PM EST
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Dutch general Osinga invited on Dutch television to calm nerves saying affected countries and NATO leadership acted responsibly and refused to escalate the event ...

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Another good piece by justin bronk, air denial strategic success factor. Stocks of air defense missiles in Ukraine are shrinking fast. More deliveries of air defense systems are also crucial to maintain air denial over front.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:55:40 PM EST
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In every war run by the Pentagon, there are warmongers who demand more violence ... warmongering until the bomb bursts.



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 07:58:44 PM EST

it was probably an intentional strike ... it was probably an intentional strike ... it was probably an intentional strike ... indeed ... two missiles struck Poland.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:06:58 PM EST
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Translation:
The Russian Federation takes lives wherever it can reach. Today is 🇵🇱. This Russian attack on collective security in the Euro-Atlantic is a significant escalation. People died. My sincere condolences 🇵🇱 to the brothers and sisters! 🇺🇦 will always be with you. The terror of the Russian Federation must be stopped. Solidarity is our strength!

Breaking: this is the last message send by Zelensky ... 19 hrs ago.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:09:11 PM EST

White House requests $37.7 billion in new Ukraine funding from Congress

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:10:37 PM EST
See article on General Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and time for negotiations and diplomacy. Ukraine, Poland and Baltic States caught flat-footed.

Diplomacy Watch: Could US-Russia nuke negotiations help set the stage for talks?

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:11:50 PM EST


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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:13:23 PM EST
Zelensky's NATO bid falls flat | Responsible Statecraft - Oct. 6, 2022 |

The reaction to his application for accelerated membership was muted, exposing the limits of the West's military involvement in this war.

This is a reminder to the people of Ukraine -- the people who are directly suffering the horrors of this war -- that the U.S. and its NATO allies are more than happy to send weapons to Ukrainian soldiers but remain unwilling to send their own men and women to fight.

Biden has repeatedly insisted that the U.S. "will not fight the third world war in Ukraine," hence the  immediate reason NATO won't entertain Zelensky's entreaties: Article 5 could be triggered immediately in the face of continued Russian aggression against the defenses, infrastructure, and populace in Ukraine.

But, due in part to years of confused policy toward Ukraine, NATO is on that precipice today. Now that the eastern region of Ukraine has, in Russia's eyes, joined Crimea as part of Russia, Russian officials have warned that they will regard an assault on that region as an assault on Russia -- an assault that justifies the "use of all weapon systems available to us," in the words of Vladimir Putin. And that would start the very World War III that closing the NATO door to Ukraine is meant to avoid.

The only way out is diplomacy and a negotiated settlement. Unfortunately, that way out has now been complicated by another statement from Zelensky. Following his application for accelerated ascension to NATO, the Ukrainian president invoked a decree banning negotiating with Putin.

The decree "acknowledge[s] the impossibility of holding negotiations with President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin." Zelensky added in a video address that "we are ready for dialogue with Russia, but with another president of Russia," effectively ruling out peace talks.

Ukraine dismisses push to compromise in wake of Russian attacks -- and retreats | NBC News - Nov. 15, 2022 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:33:13 PM EST

A naked Zelensky in a failed attempt to deepen the war with Russia ... war will not be won on the battlefield.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 08:34:18 PM EST
Poland, NATO say missile strike that killed 2 wasn't a Russian attack | PBS |

"No indication" missile that hit Poland was "attack," but NATO says Russia at fault as it hammers Ukraine

NATO's secretary general Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday that there was "no indication" that a missile that landed inside Poland, killing two people on Tuesday, was the result of a deliberate attack by Russia, "and we have no indication that Russia is planning offensive military actions against NATO allies."

"I think this demonstrates the dangers connected to the ongoing war in Ukraine, but it hasn't changed our fundamental assessment of the threat against NATO allies," Stoltenberg told journalists Wednesday after a meeting of NATO's ambassadors.



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:43:07 PM EST
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Missile Blast in Poland Risked Russia-NATO Clash Before Both Sides Dialed Back

Ukraine air-defense likely fired the missile, officials said, and responses from Biden and the Kremlin showed a shared wish to avoid escalation

So, is Stoltenberg saying that NATO AA detected the missiles in flight and their crews made the conscious decision not to engage them? Or did they have advance warning from whoever fired the missiles, informing them of their lack of a hostile purpose in NATO airspace?

Honestly, even with all the great jokes and memes to come out of this otherwise tragic event (2 people reportedly dead after all) the explanation from Stoltenberg is the funniest shit that I have heard in connection with this whole affair.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:46:50 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:01:14 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:01:55 PM EST
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Masters in war propaganda ..? 🤥🤥🤥



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:04:13 PM EST
Tweets by Ian Bremmer ...

us govt now saying out loud what everyone has been saying privately for months:

complete removal of russian troops from ukraine territory (read particularly: crimea) is extremely unlikely.

at some point negotiations are best option.

exactly when negotiations should start will be ultimately decided by ukraine.

but influenced by nato.

key point: responsibility for the invasion is 100% on the kremlin.

return to feb 24 territorial lines has to be a minimum for any negotiation.

putin will not accept this through voluntary concession. ukraine needs to be supported military to impose it.

A lot of personal hogwash Bremmer!

1.) NATO has no might, Joe Biden is the pivot in decision for war or peace.
2.) Removing Russia from Crimea is utopic

Indeed, to keep NATO out of the Black Sea, Russia will keep Crimea and Eastern Ukraine for existential threat from the West. Erdogan needs to shed his Ottoman feathers eying Tatar independence and admit the Black Sea coasts will not be restored to Turkic empire.

For all the bloodshed in vain, very little border change from Feb. 24 demarcation line will happen. The hero German admiral Schonbach was correct and the politicians have failed. No pain for America, the European Union is destroyed. Western Europe is not compatible with Eastern Europe, too much diversion in historic pretenses. The EU was founded to stop old feuds and work on economic ties. The Rumsfeld, George Bush, Cheney, Clintons, Kerry, Biden and Trump have succeeded in destruction of foe Europe.

Scholz, Macron are begging monarchs and autocrats across the globe for a barrel of oil or a tank of LNG to keep warm and the industry from completely collapsing. Biden's baby in Kyiv and his Blitzkrieg across Europe ... was devastating. The freedom and optimism of 1989 has been undone. Every sort of settlement of the war in Ukraine will be illusoir. What has been wrought cannot be undone.

Further arming Ukraine will only destroy it. The west must act to end this war now | The Guardian - Apr. 27, 2022 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Nov 17th, 2022 at 09:47:24 AM EST

Sovereignty and keeping borders safe ... UN Charter. Every rule has a few exceptions such as Israel, Serbia/Kosovo, Cyprus, Azerbaijan and Iran. Some borders are fluid.

Not sure whether Swedes enter Borrell's garden, or the outside jungle.

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Nov 17th, 2022 at 03:04:11 PM EST
Providing asylum to "our" terrorists ... also known as freedom fighters.

Turkey captures nephew of US-based preacher Fethullah Gulen

    Selahaddin was brought back to Turkey by agents from the National Intelligence Organisation

Global plot that lured Kurds' hero into trap | The Guardian - Feb. 21, 1999 |

    U.S. officials reluctantly acknowledged--after Turkish officials, including the prime minister, had already let the cat out of the bag--that Washington had tipped off Ankara that Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Öcalan was in the Greek embassy in Kenya.

    Turkish agents then grabbed him on his way to the airport and spirited him off to Turkey for trial. U.S. officials admitted that the arrest was the culmination of an intensive four-month effort by the U.S. and Turkish governments to snare Ocalan. American intelligence information and diplomatic pressure on countries to deny him sanctuary were the key to his capture.



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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Nov 17th, 2022 at 03:06:08 PM EST
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Showdown with Iran -- terror group Mujihadeen-e Khalq (MEK)

    At the same time, Bolton and several members of Congress, including Reps. Sherman and Dana Rohrabacher expressed support for the Mujahedin-e-Khalq, which is designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization that operates as a cult.  Before the hearing started, Bolton's aide approached a group of MEK supporters in attendance and told them that he supported their efforts.  Chairman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen even made a point to greet the group and shake the hands of each of the MEK supporters.  Even as Bolton called for bombing Iran, he acknowledged doing so would likely ignite a broader regional war, but dismissed the costs as worth the effort. 

Top MEK terrorist located near Amsterdam on asylum visa ...

After 35 Years, Iran Liquidates MKO Terrorist near Amsterdam

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Nov 17th, 2022 at 03:23:05 PM EST
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Places trust in his generals and a corrupt SBU ... they don't lie 🤥🤥🤥



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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 11:11:25 AM EST


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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 11:14:11 AM EST
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Inserted in vacant spot, a black hole left by GB ...

In short stride following Sweden and Finland ... how nice replacing a partying Boris and close to a swinging Sanna Marin. Low expectations ... 😡

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 11:18:10 AM EST


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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 11:29:35 AM EST
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FTX pledges to "turn bitcoin into bullets, bandages and other war materiel" for Ukraine

The partnership between FTX and the Ukrainian government was first publicized on March 14th when the leading cryptocurrency website CoinDesk announced Kiev had launched a dedicated webpage for cryptocurrency donations dubbed Aid for Ukraine.

Under its auspices, FTX pledged to "convert crypto contributions to Ukraine's war effort into fiat for deposit" at the National Bank of Kiev, allowing the embattled government to "turn bitcoin into bullets, bandages and other war materiel." CoinDesk stated the initiative "deepens an unprecedented tie-up between public and private sector forces in crypto." 

Oleksandr Bornyakov, an official at Ukraine's Ministry of Digital Transformation, hinted to CoinDesk about an "upcoming NFT collection" auction to "give the next boost to the crypto fundraising process."

(Bornyakov's Ministry of Digital Transformation played a key role in the successful, Zelensky-led campaign to cancel The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate's appearance at Web Summit, a major international gathering of the tech industry in Lisbon, Portugal). 



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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 10:22:15 PM EST


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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Nov 18th, 2022 at 10:23:14 PM EST
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Europe's largest tech conference withdraws invitation to pro-Kremlin speakers after backlash

Europe's largest technology conference, Web Summit, sparked a raft of criticism in Ukraine when it invited pro-Russian speakers to its event in Lisbon in November.

Among Web Summit's controversial invitees were Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate, journalists at The Grayzone, a far-left news website known for its misleading reporting and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes.

Another participant, American philosopher Noam Chomsky, has been criticized for justifying Russia's war in Ukraine and suggesting that Kyiv make concessions to Russia in order to "peacefully" end the war. 

Outraged Ukrainians sent an official letter to the Web Summit, signed by Ukraine's Embassy in Portugal, the Ministry of Digital Transformation, and the Ukrainian delegation to the conference.

References to Noam Chomsky @EuroTrib ...



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