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Key Role East-West Relations for NATO Member Turkey

by Oui Sat Mar 19th, 2022 at 02:37:40 PM EST

Update - finished diary with the Jewish support by Putin and ties to Chabad-Lubovitch, Rabbi Lazar, Bibi Netanyahu, Naftali Bennett and the Jewish oligarchs in both Kyiv and Moscow.

First of all I do appreciate the views expressed in the article, a broad sense of human rights and views on injustice. Especially the highlight about the hypocrisy of the UK government on racist and xenophobic policy about refugees and asylum seekers.

Johnson said Britain was being "very, very generous", but we need checks at our borders (sic) | ABC News |

French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said that hundreds of Ukrainian refugees in the English Channel port of Calais had been turned away and told by British authorities that they must obtain visas at U.K. embassies in Paris or Brussels.

A Thousand Red Flags

This is another tactic, they're justifying Putin's actions by declaring retroactive support for Milosevic. Chomsky fans (🚩!!) are out there rewriting narratives for their own political gain at the expense of people who witnessed and survived genocide. Ignoring people who still live with these experiences who try to point out, for example, that Milosevic was a racist genocidal criminal [TRUE], or how Russia committed genocide against half a million Muslims in Ukraine in 1944 [FALSE], or that Putin is an absolute antisemite [FALSE]. Behind every person speaking out with remarkable clarity to explain why Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not aptly comparable to NATO's intervention in Kosovo, there's a load of 🚩 QTs calling them liars.

Bad-faith accusations of Russophobia are corrupting our ability to properly criticise how pointless it is to arbitrarily ban everything Russian. I get that Russian people often get tied closely to the actions of the state and it makes sense, Russians have famously played a big part in the formation and destruction of governments. Russians and Russian things are often seen as political even if they're not. Everything is pushed through some ideological prism and used for endless manipulations of the political spectrum. And while it is truly understandable that many people hate Russia and Russians and anything to do with Russia, part of the narrative Putin is giving to Russians is that he is the only person on their side. "It's us against them".

Theorem:  "Russia committed genocide against half a million Muslims in Ukraine in 1944."

Is not even a half-truth as based on Ukraine's recent revisionism of historical facts.

Parliament passes resolution recognising World War II-era deportation of Muslim minority from Crimea as `genocide' | Al Jazeera -  Nov. 19, 2005 |

Ukraine's parliament has passed legislation recognising the World War II deportation of Tatars - a Muslim minority in the Crimean peninsula - as "genocide".

Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the 1944 deportation of some 180,000 Tatars for their alleged collaboration with advancing Nazi Germany troops.

Nearly half of the deported population died of starvation and hardship en route or within months after their arrival in Soviet Central Asia, the Ukrainian parliament, called the Verkhovna Rada, said in a statement.

1944 ... the Soviet Union lost upwards from 27 million of its citizens due to German Nazi attack. This by no means is a permit for revenge killings in the aftermath of a battle victory ... history has always witnessed and given evidence of the utter disgust and brutality of wars. That is why I strongly advocate to prevent war.

What's next in Poland? | by MarekNYC - Oct 26th, 2005 |

It would be based on a turn to the left in economic policy and a very sharp turn to Europhobia and Russophobia in foreign policy. Its policy towards America would be very difficult to figure out. The PiS loves the neocon foreign policy and the Christian right, hates Germany, hates Russia even more, dislikes France and is moderately Europhobic.

Russia -- ex-East-Bloc Realignment | by DoDo - Apr 20th, 2007 |

Historic moment of Neocon policy taking hold in both Republican and Democratic parties, US Congress and the man in the White House executing foreign policy. Poison of wars and Islamophobia ... thanking Ariel Sharon and Bibi Netanyahu.

BTW ... I will always be a Noam Chomsky fan and appreciate the courage and knowledge of John Mearsheimer.

The Crimean War (1853-1856) was a brutal conflict that took its name from the Crimean Peninsula on the Black Sea. The war, which claimed an estimated 650,000 lives, pitted Britain, France, Turkey and Sardinia against Russia.

The Ethnogenesis of the Crimean Tatars. An Historical Reinterpretation | Nov. 2001 |

"I'm not going to start Third World War for you," Jackson told Clark | The Guardian - Aug. 2, 1999 |

British K-FOR Commander Lieutenant Michael Jackson has met with his Russian counterpart General Yeftokovic at Pristina airport in Kosovo.

Yeftokovic had arrived in Pristina on Tuesday along with the first plane load of new Russian peacekeepers.

Their arrival comes just a day after NATO brokered an agreement with Moscow on their deployment.

Red card conflict

Jackson invoked an informal procedure at NATO which allows any country, including the United States, to figuratively hold up a red card, if given orders that conflict with an individual country's national interest.

"Stuck in a Cold War mentality"

"Once you've decided to use force," Clark told a BBC documentary crew after the war, "you should use it as rapidly as possible and as decisively as possible."

It was a maxim that the four-star General, who had been decorated for bravery in Vietnam, definitely lived by. Both Jackson and Ellis had already witnessed this first hand. KFOR was a multinational force, with a variety of different military styles and cultures. As a result, it needed to be sensitively handled. During an early video conference with its senior commanders, however, Clark had decided to indulge in a piece of Patton-esque bravado.

"We are moving to total war." He said. "If there is a battle it will be tough. Very tough. Hill to hill. House to house. Street to street. It will be bayonets and close combat in guerrilla war. NATO solidiers must re-learn the spirit of the bayonet!"

There was an awkward silence. Sensing he wasn't getting the reaction he wanted, Clark broke it himself.

"Do you understand the spirit of the bayonet?!" He demanded of the General in charge of the German contingent.

Kosovo1999: Ethnic cleansing as business opportunity | by talos - Apr 11th, 2008 |

Related reading ...

Kosovo's president Thaçi resigns to face war crimes charges in The Hague | The Guardian - Nov. 5, 2020 |

European Union, NATO and relations with Turkey's strongman Erdoğan

An opportunity to reject the West, finding common ground ...

Collusion or Collision?
Turkey-Russia Relations Under Erdogan and Putin | FDD - Dec. 3, 2021 |

The authors carefully document how the regimes of Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin have managed to compartmentalize their relationship, mixing competition with substantial -- if transactional -- cooperation across a range of areas. Many in Washington continue to see Turkey as a bulwark against Russia, yet this report capably demonstrates that such notions are fanciful, at least for as long as Erdogan remains in charge.

Economic ties, particularly in the energy sector, drove Russian-Turkish rapprochement following the Soviet Union's collapse. These ties remain a key pillar of their relationship, helping to buffer against growing Russian-Turkish geopolitical competition across multiple regions.

But there are also broader and deeper forces at play. Erdogan and Putin both reject the post-Cold War liberal international order and view Turkish-Russian cooperation as a means of advancing their revisionist geopolitical agendas. Cultivating ties with Moscow helps Ankara achieve independence from the West. For the Kremlin, Turkey's drift from the West supports Moscow's longstanding efforts to undermine NATO, as seen with Ankara's purchase of the Russian-made S-400 surface-to-air missile system.

Turkish Strongman's Western Charm Offensive is Born of Desperation | Balkan Insight - Juli 6, 2021 |

After years of crises and fraught relations with old Western allies, President Erdogan is putting out feelers to the West - to save the economy and his regime, experts say.

"Tensions have eased in our relations. We will ... reengage in joint work," French President Emanuel Macron announced on June 25 at the EU summit, where Brussels pledged 3 billion euros to help Turkey to deal with the refugees piling up at the EU's gates.

Macron's words reflected the recent improvement in Turkey-EU relations after years of tension - but many experts doubt the prospect of a new era in relations despite President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's attempted rapprochement.

Once the West's trusted ally on its eastern border, Turkey's ties with the West under Erdogan have soured in the last decade, unlike the case in Erdogan's first years in power.

The causes include several international crises, from refugee crises to tensions in the Eastern Med, as well as the country's worsening human rights and democracy record.
Erdogan's rapprochement with Russia and his decision to purchase Russian S-400 missile systems in 2019 delivered a serious blow to relations.

Consequently, in September 2020, the US Congress introduced sanctions on Turkey and Ankara was kicked of the new generation F-35 fighter jet project.

However, in the last few months, Erdogan's has been trying to reengage with former allies, as the Turkish economy deteriorates and the strongman's electoral support falls, according to experts.

Turkey: Background and U.S. Relations In Brief | CRS Reports - Dec. 30, 2021 |

How the July 15 coup attempt has impacted Turkey's foreign policy | July 16, 2021 |

On the night of July 15 five years ago, Turkey was cold-shouldered by its traditional NATO allies, primarily the US, while a rogue part of the Turkish army affiliated with Fetullah Terror Organisation (FETO) attacked the country's key institutions both aerially and by land, even running over protesting civilians with tanks. 

Turkey's friends in the Gulf except Qatar were not supportive of Ankara either as later reports indicated that the UAE had supplied funds to coup plotters. Abu Dhabi's official condemnation of the coup came 16 hours late after the coup plotters' attempt was foiled by the Turkish government and its people.

As the coup unfolded, it not only targeted the Turkish institutions but also civilians. At least 250 Turkish citizens were killed and several thousand wounded by the coup plotters. 

With the deafening silence from its NATO allies, especially the US, one thing became clear for Turkey's governing establishment led by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that Ankara cannot trust its NATO allies much in its time of need.

The failed coup raised serious questions in Ankara "on the loyalty of NATO partners", says Richard Falk, professor of international law at Princeton University, who was in Istanbul during the night of the coup attempt. 

"There was not only a display of `wait and see' attitudes in the principal capitals of Western Europe and of Washington as the coup unfolded, but there was no show of support for the legitimate government of Turkey from longtime allies."

"This seemed to send a message to Ankara that it should diversify its relations with other countries, and in particular, seek to deepen relations with important other countries, including Russia and China," the professor said. 

Ankara and Abu Dhabi sign unprecedented declaration to begin free trade talks during a visit by Erdogan | MEE - Feb. 14, 2022 |

Views from the old colonial West are often a bit tainted to reality in Middle-East relationships.

Erdogan in Moscow opening Grand Mosque during Putin visit | Sep 23, 2015 |

Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow opened one of the biggest mosques in Europe, warning against the lure of jihadists as the government frets over its citizens fighting for the Islamic State group.

Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas were the guests of honour at the unveiling of the 20,000-sq. meter mosque in the Russian capital.

The United States says Moscow has recently sent troops, tanks and fighter jets to Syria, sparking fears that Russia could be looking to join the fight alongside its ally President Bashar al-Assad.

Turkey and Russia stand on opposing sides over the crisis in Syria, with Ankara fiercely backing the rebels trying to oust Assad.

How PM Bennett spent Shabbat in Sochi | JPost |

Think again! Who is closer to Chabad-Lubovitch and its worldly oligarchs: Vladimir Putin or Benjamin Netanyahu?

Chabad, Vekselberg, Putin and the Schneerson Library

Yad Vashem and Holocaust: Putin's Private Party | Jan 24, 2020 |

A German journalist has come under fire for writing that Russia and Israel exploited a Holocaust remembrance ceremony for their own agendas. She said the memorial missed an opportunity to stand against anti-Semitism.

A commentator for German public broadcaster HR has come under fire after accusing Russia and Israel of "seizing" control a ceremony held Thursday at Yad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, to mark the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp by the Red Army.

While praising German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier's speech as "moving and empathic," Sabine Müller said Russia and Israel used the ceremony for their own political and memorial "private party".

Rewriting history … liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp by Ukrainian soldiers

Auschwitz Ceremony Lays Bare Russian Tension with New Europe | RFERL – Jan 23, 2015 |

But a senior official in Kyiv is now crediting Ukrainian soldiers for shouldering most of the work of liberating inmates at the camp, echoing earlier statements by Poland’s foreign minister that have enraged Russia.

"Ukrainians made up the majority of those who freed Auschwitz -- the Ukrainian Front," Valeriy Chaliy, deputy head of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, told a January 23 press briefing.

Ukrainians also played the most significant role in liberating other concentration camps and "Europe overall," Chaliy added.

The Cradle[?] | In snub to Washington, UAE reaches out to Russia, 18 Mar
Washington's geopolitical cards are dwindling rapidly. The high-level UAE visit to Moscow this week has consolidated OPEC+ support for Russia in the energy war now raging between east and west.

Four top foreign minster level diplomats from Qatar, Iran, Turkey and the UAE travelled to Moscow this week, in as many days, in an impressive display of strategic realignment by regional states against the backdrop of the US-Russia conflict unfolding over Ukraine.

The arrival in Moscow of the UAE Minister of Foreign Affairs Abdullah bin Zayed bin Sultan Al-Nahyan on Thursday is the most striking. This is happening within a fortnight of the country's inclusion on 4 March in the Grey List of the global financial crime watchdog, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), due to alleged financial crimes.
The FATF is one of those tools of torture that the west has finessed in the international system to humiliate and punish developing countries whom it wants to teach a lesson or two. A cursory look at the countries figuring in the 22-member ["]Grey List["] would reveal that the UAE shouldn't really belong there -- Albania, Burkina Faso, Haiti, South Sudan, Uganda, Yemen and so on.

< wipes tears >

Happy Vanuatu Day!

by Cat on Sat Mar 19th, 2022 at 03:46:42 PM EST
Milosevic was a racist genocidal criminal [TRUE], or how Russia committed genocide against half a million Muslims in Ukraine in 1944 [FALSE], or that Putin is an absolute antisemite [FALSE].

Your (boldface) interpolations are interesting.

Apparently, if only 90 000 out of a total population of 180 000 die, it's not genocide.

And I missed your refutation of Putin's antisemitism? (I don't have a well-justified opinion either way, but you've expressed yours, so you need to back it up)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sat Mar 19th, 2022 at 07:41:04 PM EST
Had some chores to do today - finished diary with addition.

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Sat Mar 19th, 2022 at 10:26:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
One could search the innerboobs for facts which either confirm or deny the truth (agreement) of any one of these conclusory statements. So I did with an understanding that scale and frequency of violence between members of "race or ethnicity" groups is the one determinant that differentiates "international" and "civil" war between members of "race or ethnicity" groups. Genocide is a 20th-century diplomatic fallacy; a euphemism employed by "nationalist" functionaries who devise international rules (unenforceable "UN conventions") of homicidal mania to assert "lawful" prosecution of violence among and between designated members of "race or ethnicity" groups selected by government functionaries, as is convenient to maintain exclusive police powers of a nation-state bureaucracy.

Given WWII contemporaneous and retrospective accounts of "civilian" collaboration with either "Axis" or "Allied" armies is a contentious subject among western European academics who inform "national" culture (eg. cinematic epic, broadcast telenovela AKA "soap opera", games of merit not "chance") I idly note that hisoriography produced by peripheral WWII actors--peoples of occidental and oriental imperial dependencies--is no less subjective than than the conditional treaties agreed by imperial functionaries in the period; and in the case of UKRAINE--which is not a unique exemplar--among abstracts preserved by innerboob circulation, I find from 00's to present competing effort among scholars to dissociate members of "race or ethnicity" groups from WWII principals operating in that territory in that period at any given time government functionaries obeyed martial law imposed by NAZI or SOVIET adversaries, notably not ALLIED armies' occupations. Spoiler: anonymous Ukraine NKVD agents

• Milosevic was a racist genocidal criminal [TRUE]
post-WWII ICC established by his Allied benefactors says so.

• Russia committed genocide against half a million Muslims in Ukraine in 1944 [FALSE]
To my point, I present two (of many) retrospective accounts of UKRAINE collaboration which illustrate selective advocacy intended to legitimate casualites among members of  "race or ethnicity" groups abandoned by European "allies"
THE HOLOCAUST IN UKRAINE, New sources and perspectives, "Ukraine and jews" (2013. 228 pp)
The Deportation and the Return of the Crimean Tatars--And the Controversial Issue of Collaboration with the Nazis, Ukraine and muslims 1917-1944
Revelations from the Russian Archives, deportation order (EN)
Tartarstan (further reading: Where is the Tartar heimat ("homeland") exactly?)

• Putin is an absolute antisemite [FALSE]
Soviets weren't even "anti-semite" in WWII; "Tsarist" white russia is another story. One would like to believe at this late date, which army liberated NAZI "death camps" is indisputable.

by Cat on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 05:41:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it is fair to say that the 1%, which has managed to lobby the intl institutions completely, is at war with the 99%. It seems likely that the Western monarchies, all white of course, and claiming all sort of fantastic genealogies (or at least they are made so), do play a role in that (the Shell...). After decolonization, they had to coerce other monarchies, and they did, but maintained their upper hand via the intl institutions.
I doubt the 99% will side with a ridiculously small Western oligarchy/plutocracy. They have had decades now to see that they were not part of the game.
by Tom2 on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 06:09:17 PM EST
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Memo: owning an appartment or a house of a value of +1 Mo euros puts you in the 1%  category.
Yes, this is what the other 99% have to share....
by Tom2 on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 06:43:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What's going on in Tatarstan now?
According to RFERL, Putin's Power Play? Tatarstan Activists Say Loss Of 'President' Title Would Be An Existential Blow

What's going on in Israel now?
According to arch-enemy of France Thierry Meyssan, Israel stunned by Ukrainian neo-Nazis

What's going on in Chenya now?
According to Al Jazeera Chechen leader , a Putin ally of the Chechen Republic, says his forces deployed to Ukraine

What's going on in Ingushetia Republic now?
According to Caucasian Knot, Military serviceman who perished in Ukraine buried in Ingushetia

What's going on in HRW now?
Russia: Journalists, Activists Attacked in North Caucasus?

At least 15 men stopped a bus carrying eight people and their driver as the group traveled from Ingushetia to Chechnya and beat them. The group included six journalists - one Norwegian, one Swedish, and four Russian - and two Russian human rights activists. All were injured, and five were hospitalized. The attackers set the bus on fire.
The Russian authorities should immediately carry out an investigation into these two attacks, identify those responsible, and bring them to justice, Human Rights Watch said.

The journalists and activists were on a week-long trip organized by the Committee for Prevention of Torture, the Russian nongovernmental group, to report on human rights in Chechnya and Ingushetia.

by Cat on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 06:43:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
After watching a video of Mariupol, I suspect that if the Russians ask Israel to make peace with the Palestinians and the Syrians, they will agree promptly.
by Tom2 on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 06:48:46 PM EST
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Governments of Israel, past and present, are not interested in diplomacy, either appeasing or --how did eurogreen put it?--"offending people in faraway countries". I think, the assissination of Rabin cleared out any ambiguous boundaries of "international norms" threatening the state's sovereignty.

And I, too, have scrounged the innerboobs incognito to locate ANY evidence of UAF/Azov defense of Mariuopol "civilians"--whether or not certified jew, muslim, or UA orhodox xtian, because yanno, no ties to PUTIN.

Not one NATO broadcast nor a single UKRAINE witness differentiates "race or ethnicity" among casualties. The test of political loyalty applied to "humanitarian aid" by POWs scuttling out of their basements is, fascist? [Y/N] or "Russian-backed"? [Y/N].

by Cat on Sun Mar 20th, 2022 at 07:38:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(US simply cannot keep Sputnik down)
Today's headline 'Outrageous and Ungrateful': Israel Fuming Over Zelensky's Knesset Speech for VPN readers with VPN. For fluent Hebrew-speakers, US-approved social media "giant" echoes ...
... supra "Visual history archive interviews on the holocaust in Ukraine" (pp 26-71) in THE HOLOCAUST IN UKRAINE, New sources and perspectives (2013)
by Cat on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 06:00:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
courtesy MoA
Arch Zionists are pissed off by Zelensky's holocaust revisionism.
Times of Israel | Israeli lawmakers tear into Zelensky for Holocaust comparisons in Knesset speech
by Cat on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 10:39:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Forty years ago, when I was active in New Zealand politics, I remember there was a leading Maori activist who was greeted by outrage and hatred when she dared to use the "H" word to describe the Maori experience of massacres, decimation by disease etc which characterised the colonisation period.


   1. Dans l'ancien Israël, sacrifice religieux où la victime, un animal, était entièrement consumée par le feu ; la victime ainsi sacrifiée.
    2. Sacrifice sanglant exécuté dans un but religieux.
    3. Ensemble des persécutions, des sévices et des exterminations dont les Juifs furent les victimes de la part des nazis entre 1939 et 1945. (En ce sens, prend souvent une majuscule.) [→ génocide.]
    4. Massacre, grande destruction de personnes, de choses, inspirés par une idéologie.

In French at least, Zelensky's usage qualifies through the fourth definition.

Merriam Webster gives him a pass too

Definition of holocaust

1 : a sacrifice (see sacrifice entry 1 sense 2) consumed by fire
2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire a nuclear holocaust
3a usually the Holocaust : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II Several members of her family died in the Holocaust. a Holocaust survivor
b : a mass slaughter of people especially : genocide a holocaust in Rwanda

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 at 09:07:25 AM EST
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A 96-year-old man who survived a string of Nazi concentration camps including Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen has been killed by an explosion during the Russian assault on the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, a spokesperson for the Buchenwald concentration camp memorial foundation has confirmed.

"We are shocked to confirm the violent death of Boris Romanchenko, whose niece informed us on Monday morning that he died last Friday after a bomb or rocket hit the multistorey building where he lived in Kharkiv and his apartment was burned out," a spokesperson told the Guardian.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 at 09:58:23 AM EST
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As a Jew himself he does know better ... as a Ukrainian with it's Babi Yar and 1.5 million deaths in the Holocaust he should STFU.

Earlier this month, the head of the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum Dani Dayan told The Times of Israel that Russia was trivializing the Holocaust with its claims about Nazism in Ukraine.

A Ukrainian request for permission to hold a large rally at Yad Vashem that would be addressed by Zelensky to discuss Russia's invasion of his country was reportedly turned down by Dayan.

Zelensky's Holocaust comparisons were unnecessary - JPost editorial

Related reading ...

Jewish History Tour from 8th Century Khazar Kingdom to present Ukraine

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 at 05:58:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Zelensky strikes the wrong note to bring Knesset to his side - analysis | JPost |

Just wondering which Ten Commandments he carries down the mountain from Joe's Place.

New book review ...

Making of a dictator: Hitler's First Hundred Days

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 at 05:59:31 PM EST
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Turkey... Ukraine... The EU expansionist thirst can be quenched only with the military support of the USA.
76,000 foreign students in Ukraine? Who was paying for
Oh.. I see..
ukraine-eu.mfa.gov.ua/en/2633-relations/galuzeve-spivrobitnictvo/klyuchovi-tendenciyi-politi ki-yes-u-sferi-osviti-ta-kulturi-programa-yes-erazmus
"Since 2005, Ukraine has joined the Bologna Process...In 2019, the implementation of the Program for the Expansion of People-to-People: House of Europe in Ukraine with a total budget of 18 million euros was launched..." (i.e. to oblige students and scholars to write all their research in English?)
/www.eib.org/en/press/all/2022-068-eib-invested-more-than-half-a-billion-euros-in-2021-to-sup port-economic-and-social-growth-in-ukraine#:~:text=The%20European%20Investment%20Bank%2C%20the,to%20 increase%20COVID%2D19%20resilience.
(comment: these people at the EIB don't know how to make an url...)
"Ukraine remains the top recipient of EIB investments in the Eastern Neighbourhood, accounting for more than 60% of the EIB's lending in the region. "
"The European Investment Bank, the bank of the European Union, invested €554 million in 2021 in developing Ukraine`s transport infrastructure, urban mobility, education infrastructure, and the local economy, including support to increase COVID-19 resilience."

The EU is financing universities in Ukraine, Turkey, Israel, and almost everywhere around the Mediterranean. In the meantime Western Europe universities have been totally impoverished and studies have started to be much more costly than 10 years ago. Did anyone vote about that? I cannot believe that the readers don't have any children or relatives.

by Tom2 on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 12:08:21 PM EST
Yeah Tom, you just described why the EU is a good thing.

Out of narrow self-interest, the EU6 should never have admitted the "middle income" countries.

"Honestly. Spain? Portugal? Ireland? Poland? Clearly, basket cases. Handouts out of our taxes? You're kidding."

Speaking for myself, I think these are "good investments" by the EU in Ukraine, with a good ROI (in human terms at least).

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:22:54 PM EST
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I cannot believe that the readers don't have any children or relatives.

I have two : one is attending a public university in France, one who has completed her degree in Scotland. (For free. Thanks to the EU.)

But I agree that the proliferation of private, for-profit tertiary education in France is scandalous, and indicative of Macron's professed desire to "normalise" higher education on the "anglo-saxon" model.

His second term is likely to be the death of what's left of the French free university system. But there will be a fight.

I would be in favour of making higher education an EU competence, and fully funding it.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:29:56 PM EST
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Well, the money of the universities has been in Brussels since a long time
https://ec.europa.eu/info/research-and-innovation/funding/funding-opportunities/funding-programmes-a nd-open-calls/horizon-2020_en#:~:text=Horizon%202020%20was%20the%20EU's,been%20succeeded%20by%20Hori zon%20Europe.
2014-2020: 80 billions (but this includes core 27 and the "16 Associate countries", incl. Turkey and Israel + 8 "candidates", incl Ukraine and... the UK)
During this period, did you see any increase in the budget of French universities?
by Tom2 on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 01:48:39 PM EST
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Funding of research programs by the EU is a good thing, because the alternative (funding of research programs by private enterprise) is not a good thing.

However, it's a very different thing to making tertiary education available and FREE for Europeans, as I'm sure you realise.

What I would like is for the EU to be responsible for that.

Likewise, for health services. Level playing field and all that. (Go on, call me a socialist)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 02:56:41 PM EST
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Chomsky was always an iconic hero for me, and his participation alongside Varoufakis in founding Diem25, and later the Progressive International,  was one of the reasons for my enthusiastic participation in these organisations.

but "progressively" I realised that heroes often have feet of clay, and that Chomsky valued correctness over truth or reality. Also his American-exceptionalism bothered me : resolutely opposed to American imperialism, he over-estimates its agency, and thereby underestimates all the other actors in a complex world.

Yassin al-Haj Saleh, former prisoner of the Assad regime and translator of Chomsky into Arabic, makes it all much clearer.
His article in New Line magazine rings true for me :

In the 11 years since the start of the Syrian revolution in March 2011, Chomsky has not written once about Syria to inform his many readers about the country's plight. His scattered comments reveal that he views the Syrian struggle -- as with every other struggle -- solely through the frame of American imperialism. He is thus blind to the specificities of Syria's politics, society, economy and history.

What's more, his perception of America's role has developed from a provincial Americentrism to a sort of theology, where the U.S. occupies the place of God, albeit a malign one, the only mover and shaker. Understandably, such a perspective raises questions about the autonomy of other actors, with echoes of the debates about free will by Islamic theologians some 1,200 years ago. Chomsky seems closer to the jabriyyeen, who fully deny human freedom and ascertain the omnipotence of God, than to the qadariyyeen, who thought that God's justice and human freedom went together.

Jihadists today subscribe mainly to the tradition of jabriyyah. Chomsky has been persistent in his own jihad for decades, in a way that reminds one of Ibn Hanbal or Ibn Timiyyah, though without risking freedom or life as the two fathers of modern Salafism did (except for his brief detention following a protest at the Pentagon during the Vietnam War).

The U.S. has never been a force for democracy, rule of law and human rights in the Middle East. Its destructive role in the region, since 1967 at least, is justifiably compared to the role of state tyranny and possibly Islamic nihilism after the American occupation of Iraq. However, the U.S. has not been central to the Syrian catastrophe, as a statement that Chomsky himself signed in March 2021 acknowledges. If anything, the U.S. has done its best not to harm the Assad regime, even after it violated international law forbidding the use of chemical weapons and crossed then President Barack Obama's "red line" in 2013, as well as many times before and after.

Chomsky's Americentric perspective tends systematically to minimize the crimes of states that are opposed to the U.S.

Chomsky appears not to have engaged at all with the work of many Arab intellectuals, mostly leftists, on sectarianism and its destructive effects since the 1970s. So maybe one should pose a Spivakian question to him: Can subaltern intellectuals speak? Based on my recent personal experience, the answer is no. My letter to the Progressive International about Syria failed to appear, and the people there stopped contacting me after I sent the letter to them, though it was their initiative to talk to me in April 2020 and to invite me to curate a whole dossier about Syria for them (that "letter to the Progressive International" was later published on Aljumhyuriya.net). Apparently, there is no place for us, Syrian leftists and democrats who oppose the Assad regime, in an international progressive coalition.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Mar 21st, 2022 at 04:11:14 PM EST
Noam Chomsky on Syria Conflict: Cut Off the Flow of Arms & Stop Bombing to Stem the Atrocities | May 17, 2016 |

AMY GOODMAN: President Obama announced the deployment of 250 more Special Operations troops to Syria in a move that nearly doubles the official U.S. presence in the country. Syria is only one of a number of ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. Last year, a record 60 million people around the world were forced to flee their homes, becoming refugees.

Well, for more on these conflicts, from Syria to Iraq to Yemen, and the U.S. role in the ongoing violence, we continue our conversation with the internationally renowned political dissident, linguist, author, Noam Chomsky. He has written over a hundred books, most recently, Who Rules the World? Noam Chomsky is institute professor emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he's taught for more than half a century. I began by asking him to talk about the conflict in Syria.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Syria is spiraling into real disaster, a virtual suicide. And the only sensible approach, the only slim hope, for Syria is efforts to reduce the violence and destruction, to establish small regional ceasefire zones and to move toward some kind of diplomatic settlement. There are steps in that direction. Also, it's necessary to cut off the flow of arms, as much as possible, to everyone. That means to the vicious and brutal Assad regime, primarily Russia and Iran, to the monstrous ISIS, which has been getting support tacitly through Turkey, through--to the al-Nusra Front, which is hardly different, has just the--the al-Qaeda affiliate, technically broke from it, but actually the al-Qaeda affiliate, which is now planning its own--some sort of emirate, getting arms from our allies, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Our own--the CIA is arming them. We don't know at what level; it's clandestine. As much as possible, cut back the flow of arms, the level of violence, try to save people from destruction. There should be far more support going simply for humanitarian aid. Those who are building some sort of a society in Syria--notably, the Kurds--should be supported in that effort.

These efforts should be made to cut off the flow of jihadis from the places where they're coming from. And that means understanding why it's happening. It's not enough just to say, "OK, let's bomb them to oblivion." This is happening for reasons. Some of the reasons, unfortunately, are--we can't reverse. The U.S. invasion of Iraq was a major reason in the development, a primary reason in the incitement of sectarian conflicts, which have now exploded into these monstrosities. That's water under the bridge, unfortunately, though we can make sure not to do that--not to continue with that. But we may like it or not, but ISIS, the ISIL, whatever you want to call it, does have popular support even among people who hate it. The Sunni--much of the Sunni population of Iraq and Syria evidently regards it as better than the alternative, something which at least defends them from the alternative. From the Western countries, the flow of jihadis is primarily from young people who are--who live in conditions of humiliation, degradation, repression, and want something decent--want some dignity in their lives, want something idealistic. They're picking the wrong horse, by a large margin, but you can understand what they're aiming for. And there's plenty of research and studies--Scott Atran and others have worked on this and have plenty of evidence about it. And those--alleviating and dealing with those real problems can be a way to reduce the level of violence and destruction.

It's much more dramatic to say, "Let's carpet bomb them," or "Let's bomb them to oblivion," or "Let's send in troops." But that simply makes the situation far worse. Actually, we've seen it for 15 years. Just take a look at the so-called war on terror, which George W. Bush declared--actually, redeclared; Reagan had declared it--but redeclared in 2001. At that point, jihadi terrorism was located in a tiny tribal area near the Afghan-Pakistan border. Where is--and since then, we've been hitting one or another center of what we call terrorism with a sledgehammer. What's happened? Each time, it spreads. By now, it's all over the world. It's all over Africa, Southeast Asia, South Asia, everywhere you look. Take the bombing of Libya, which Hillary Clinton was strongly in favor of, one of the leaders of, smashed up Libya, destroyed a functioning society. The bombing sharply escalated the level of atrocities by a large factor, devastated the country, left it in the hands of warring militias, opened the door for ISIS to establish a base, spread jihadis and heavy weapons all through Africa, in fact, into the Middle East. Last year, the--according to U.N. statistics, the worst terror in the world was in West Africa, Boko Haram and others, to a considerable extent an offshoot of the bombing of Libya. That's what happens when you hit vulnerable systems with a sledgehammer, not knowing what you're doing and not looking at the roots of where these movements are developing from. So you have to understand the--understand where it's coming from, where the appeal lies, what the roots are--there are often quite genuine grievances--at the same time try to cut back the level of violence.

Read my diaries for the last decade here and @BooMan ... the very same line of analysis. Thank you Noam Chomsky. A man of courage.

Related reading ...

Blair On Downfall Saddam, Iraq Compared Favorable to Quagmire In Libya and Syria | Oct. 25, 2022 |

    My new diary was written after I saw the interview on CNN and was able to criticize the squirming and pathetic arguments used by Tony Blair to compare his handling of the Iraq invasion and removal of Saddam Hussein with today's quagmire in Libya and Syria. Easily trying to escape judgement for the Middle-East upheaval caused by him and the US military under the George Bush administration.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 01:43:55 PM EST
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I will never doubt the writings of one of the most courageous journalists/writers I have come across. Noam Chomsky, a hero! Pls stop your bullshit statements in my diaries.

Mỹ Lai massacre - Wikipedia

The Mỹ Lai massacre (Vietnamese: Thảm sát Mỹ Lai) was the mass murder of unarmed South Vietnamese civilians by United States troops in Sơn Tịnh District, South Vietnam, on 16 March 1968 during the Vietnam War. Between 347 and 504 unarmed people were killed by U.S. Army soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division.

Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, as were children as young as 12. Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of murdering 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence.  

This war crime, which was later called "the most shocking episode of the Vietnam War", took place in two hamlets of Sơn Mỹ village in Quảng Ngãi Province. These hamlets were marked on the U.S. Army topographic maps as Mỹ Lai and Mỹ Khê. The U.S. Army slang name for the hamlets and sub-hamlets in that area was Pinkville, and the carnage was initially referred to as the Pinkville Massacre. Later, when the U.S. Army started its investigation, the media changed it to the Massacre at Songmy. Currently, the event is referred to as the Mỹ Lai Massacre in the United States and called the Sơn Mỹ Massacre in Vietnam.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 02:48:05 PM EST
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Pls stop your bullshit statements in my diaries.

If you don't want comment or discussion of your diaries, you can actually disable comments.

If you just don't want people to disagree with you or contradict you, that has never been an option at Eurotrib. Suck it up or piss off.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 28th, 2022 at 09:42:36 AM EST
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Bit late for a response ... my post Mar 23rd. I have moved on.


  • consider that many one-liner replies are comments meant either ironically and sarcastically (at ET, we prefer to call them a "snark"), whose succinct nature makes misunderstandings of the above two kinds all the more easy.
  • consider that you do not have to reply.
  • consider that some of these differences are so deep that they touch concepts you think of as basic, concepts you have never even thought can be viewed differently.
  • ... One extra point: on European Tribune, we expect to read thought-through arguments, and expect people to be ready to dig up evidence to support their claims. Doing so won't ensure agreement between opposed sides, but at least people are more likely to take each other seriously ....

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Mar 28th, 2022 at 11:10:32 AM EST
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I note that you haven't quoted Chomsky on Russia's participation in the Syrian civil war.

Wise decision.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 28th, 2022 at 10:11:12 AM EST
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Agree fully with Yassin. He should have mentioned the Neocon plan for the Middle East from the Bush/Cheney years, the dumb American scheme of regime change with arms and Jihadists from Tunisia and Libya, supported by Turkey and funded and encouraged by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar. The proxy forces trained by the CIA in Afghanistan with support from KSA and Yemeni religious fanatic Osama Bin Laden.

From the diaries @ET ...

Belligerence In Syria and Beyond

Syria Drama In the Making - the Bush and Obama Years 2005-2013

with subtitle NSC Chief Hadley asked Italy for a Bashar Replacement and @EuroTrib | by susanhu on Oct. 23, 2005 |

Article written by susanhu, a favorite of mine ... UID #7 ... @BooMan she frontpaged a significant number of articles of mine. Communities change ...

As USA Burns - Germany & Japan Arise ¶ Pew Research | by Oui Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 |

The false flag and implication of Bashar Assad's Syria in the Rafiq Hariri assassination ... the Mehlis investigation.

A view on the Syria situation | by whataboutbob Wed Nov 16th, 2005 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 11:08:20 AM EST
The prevailing Western discourses about Syria are fundamentally flawed, and should be discarded in favor of "new, emancipatory" alternatives, writes Yassin al-Haj Saleh.

Worldless Syria: Depopulated Discourse and Denied Agency

In the West today--and, consequently, around the world--there are three dominant discourses about Syria (and the Middle East more generally). The first is geopolitical; the second culturalist or civilizationist; and the third might be called top-down anti-imperialist.

In analyzing these three, along with the ways in which Syria's Bashar al-Assad regime and its followers benefit from them, this article aims to uncover a deeper structural-discursive pattern concerning the destruction of Syria. There is no need to assume malevolent intentions or conspiratorial schemes, but it is also not simply a matter of unintended mistakes, miscalculations, or neglect. A deeper logic is at work; one closely tied to the structures of Western interests in, and perceptions about, Syria and the Middle East. To bring this to light may also help bring Syria and Syrians back into the discussions from which we have largely been excluded since the moment the Syrian uprising began in March 2011, in spite of our intimate knowledge of oppression, violence, and the experience of being silenced.

The first discourse--the geopolitical--is promoted by states, mainstream think tanks, and media outlets. It speaks in terms of states: presidents and governments; war and diplomacy; special envoys from the US, Europe, and the UN; and the "Middle East conflict," or conflicts.

Over the last three decades, the content of this discourse has shifted from the Arab-Israeli struggle and "peace process," which dominated up until the early 1990s, to the "War on Terror," which has prevailed ever since. The latter is trans-national, but its battlefields are mostly situated in the Middle East. As for the "Middle East" itself, it is a somewhat flexible signifier. Syria, Palestine/Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, and the Arabian Peninsula are always included within it, but it can also extend to Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, and North Africa. This "Greater Middle East" appeared after 9/11, and covers most of the Muslim world. It is a geography of the War on Terror, and of torture. The War on Terror, which has reintroduced torture where it was less practiced, is by no means a war; it is torture itself, waged by the powerful against the weak, with no exception to this general rule.

The greatest permanent commitment of the Western powers in the Middle East is to Israel's security, superiority, and welfare. After this comes "stability" in the region, which until recently meant the safety of oil routes for the capitalist West, and all related requirements to support the ruling regimes.

Indeed, after a generation of mostly progressive social, political, and intellectual upheavals following independence (land reforms; wider schooling; improved services; a more active life for larger sectors of our societies), the lesser Middle East has experienced a deadly "stability" since the 1970s; one that has implied permanent rule for familial or oligarchic regimes, and increasing vulnerability and instability for the ruled. Vast masses of people were steadily excluded from this politics of stability, which produced its new lumpen aristocracies and dynasties. Bashar al-Assad's father Hafez was one of these "stable" rulers. He seized power in a military coup in 1970 (possibly rewarding himself for the humiliating defeat in June 1967, when he was Syria's defense minister). He then relied heavily on sectarianized security apparatuses to preserve power; arresting, torturing, and killing tens of thousands of Syrians from all political and ideological backgrounds. By these means, he was able to secure the prized "stability" in Syria; as well as to "pacify" Lebanon--with a US green light--by intervening in Syria's small neighbor in 1976; and also to play a vital "regional role," made possible only by the absolute closure of the political playing field inside Syria.

Through power politics, the regime was able to accumulate effective playing cards, especially by sponsoring sub-state actors in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Turkey, all of which proved useful assets for engagement with fellow regional powers and bargains with the more powerful parties; especially the Americans. Those inside Syria were relegated to full invisibility, undergoing massacres, incarceration, and torture scarcely reported in the "free world." Thus was Hafez able to pass his post on to his son, Bashar, whose earliest slogan was "stability and continuity" (istiqrar and istimrar), implying that demands for political change were inherently destabilizing. Bashar has since been able to kill hundreds of thousands of ill-fated Syrians over the long course of this past decade, the second of his twenty-one-year rule. It is worth noting that each of the revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya prevented a monarchical turn such as the one that took place in Syria, which was the greatest reactionary leap backward in the country's modern history.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 11:09:05 AM EST
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Agree fully with Yassin.

Ah so you agree with his criticism of Chomsky who ascribes too much agency to US imperialism, and disqualifies and ignores Syrian intellectuals?

So why was it "bullshit" when I posted it?


He should have mentioned

... ah so you agree with him, sort of, you just need to tell him how to think.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 28th, 2022 at 09:47:22 AM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 12:44:18 PM EST
Close cultural ties?? WTF Mark ... you used the same words with Vladimir Putin signing and extended deal for Nord Stream 3 and 4 in Amsterdam in 2013. Gazprom - Gasunie - Germany

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 12:45:27 PM EST
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Turkey doesn't forget ... just days before parliamentary elections in 2017 ...

Strongman Mark Rutte shows the far-right electorate and unified voter bloc of PVV Geert Wilders he is tough on Turks and Moroccan residents too. What a charade and utter disgrace ... calling himself courageous? A thin layer of varnish on this politician ... Teflon Mark 😝

Netherlands bars female family minister from Turkey's consulate as row escalates MEMO - Mar 12, 2017 |

Dutch police used violence this morning to disperse protesters outside the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam, who were there in support of Turkish diplomats and ministers who had been prevented from accessing their own sovereign territory by the Dutch authorities.

Turkey told the Netherlands today that it would retaliate in the "harshest ways" after Turkish ministers were barred from speaking in Rotterdam in a row over Ankara's political campaigning among Turkish emigres.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had earlier yesterday branded Turkey's fellow NATO ally a "Nazi remnant" and the dispute escalated into a diplomatic incident later in the evening, when Turkey's family minister was prevented by police from entering the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam.

Hundreds of protesters waving Turkish flags gathered outside, demanding to see the minister.

Dutch police responded by using attack dogs and water cannons early this morning to disperse the crowd, who then retaliated by throwing bottles and stones. Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. The police carried out charges on horseback against the demonstrators outside the consulate, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armoured vans before beating the unarmed protesters.

"The world must take a stance in the name of democracy against this fascist act! This behaviour against a female minister can never be accepted," she said.

The Rotterdam mayor confirmed she was being escorted by police to the German border. Kaya later boarded a private plane from the German town of Cologne to return to Istanbul, mass-circulating newspaper Hurriyet said today.

The Dutch government, which stands to lose heavily to the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders in elections next week, said it considered the visits undesirable and "the Netherlands could not cooperate in the public political campaigning of Turkish ministers in the Netherlands."

The government said it saw the potential to import divisions into its own Turkish minority, which has both pro and anti-Erdogan camps. Dutch politicians across the spectrum said they supported Prime Minister Mark Rutte's decision to ban the visits.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 12:46:34 PM EST
Dutch election: European relief as mainstream triumphs | BBC News |

European leaders have welcomed the result of the Netherlands election, which saw the anti-immigration party of Geert Wilders fail to become the largest in parliament.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte's centre-right VVD won by some margin.

For Francois Hollande of France it was a "clear victory against extremism", while German Chancellor Angela Merkel hailed a "good day for democracy".

The vote was closely watched ahead of elections in France and Germany. The Netherlands was seen by many as a bellwether for how populist parties will perform in those polls.

The European countries turning fascist. Leading to war on the continent ...

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 12:47:19 PM EST
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Mark, this is a warm reception when you are amongst friends ... NATO and Brussels is where you belong.

Different worlds, culture and history ... a global split East-West.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM EST
Pakistan Point | US Deputy Secretary Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nuland Urges India To Join Condemnation Of Russia
crude, rude, and socially unacceptable* 3-day "evolving position" tour from India to "mostly muslim" Bangladesh and Sri Lanka even as Biden proclaimed himself leader of a "new world order", same as the old world order, in a PANDEMIC WWIII HOLOCAUST.

APsplainin | Pakistanis celebrate National Day with military parade

The parade was also witnessed by foreign ministers from the Organization of Islamic Countries who are attending a conference in Islamabad. Thousands of people chanted "Long Live Pakistan" as air force jets flew over, showing off the country's air power as paratroopers jumped from helicopters.

Pakistan celebrates the National Day to commemorate March 23, 1940. On that day the Muslim leadership in the eastern city of Lahore demanded independence from British rule.
In his speech, President Alvi called for making the 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation more effective by forming unity among Muslim countries. He said that Pakistan was a peace-loving country. "We will never make any compromise on our sovereignty," he said.

archived parity watch-Pakistan Rupee, Tue Mar 22nd, 2022 White House

* recalling a pithy, popular middle-school rebuke

by Cat on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 03:06:49 PM EST
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China | Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on March 23, 2022
in China: Crash Course Into Unknown
Bloomberg: Foreign Minister Wang Yi is expected to visit India on Friday [25 Mar], according to one person familiar with the matter. Can the foreign ministry confirm this and provide additional details? 
Wang Wenbin: I don't have any information to release at the moment.
CCTV: On March 22, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi attended and addressed the opening ceremony of the 48th session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) [A/V] . We believe this is the first time for a Chinese foreign minister to attend a session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the OIC. Does this have any special significance? How does China plan to advance relations with Islamic countries? 
Wang Wenbin: Yesterday, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi attended and addressed the opening ceremony of the 48th session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the OIC in Islamabad upon invitation. This is the first time for a Chinese foreign minister to attend a session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the OIC. It demonstrates China and the Islamic world's sincere wish to strengthen exchange and cooperation as well as the two sides' growing relations and deepening mutual trust. It will surely help bring relations to a new height.

State Councilor Wang Yi pointed out in his speech that the exchanges between the two sides, which have lasted for thousands of years and withstood the test of international changes, have a profound historical heritage and a solid foundation of popular support. The two sides always respect and trust each other and support respective core concerns; always stand in solidarity with mutual assistance and strive for common development; always learn from each other and act as guardians for diversity of civilizations in the world.

State Councilor Wang Yi pointed out that China would like to develop a partnership with Islamic countries in four aspects. First, solidarity and coordination....
Second, development and revitalization. ...
Third, security and stability.  ...
Fourth, mutual learning of civilizations. We will uphold peace, development, equity, justice, democracy and freedom, which are values shared by all humanity. We will oppose acts that create division and confrontation based on ideology, oppose theories on superiority of certain civilizations or clash of civilizations, and oppose misrepresentation and denigration of non-Western civilizations. We will oppose linking terrorism with specific ethnic or religious groups, deepen preventive counter-terrorism and deradicalization cooperation, and reject double standard on combating terrorism. State Councilor Wang's remarks elicited positive responses from others attending the session.

Besides attending the session, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi also met with OIC Secretary-General Hussein Ibrahim Taha and foreign ministers attending the session including Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry and Somali Foreign Minister Abdisaid Muse Ali. ...

alarabiya | China foreign minister to visit India for first time since 2019
"The senior diplomat is scheduled to meet National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar, the official said, adding that they are set to discuss Russia's war in Ukraine and their own Himalayan conflict."
WIO News | Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi to visit Nepal from March 25 to 27
"There are some alarming issues between two countries which needs to be focused on: China's 'undeclared blockade'-- the full-fledged reopening of the northern border points-Rashuwagadhi and Tatopani, which are major trading points between Nepal and China."
by Cat on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 06:19:31 PM EST
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US "community corrections", Sun Jan 12th, 2020
by Cat on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 09:31:05 PM EST
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streaming pro-tip alert: "Whilst Biden is in Europe escalating conflict Wang Wenbin visits Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India ..."

China | Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on March 25, 2022, OIC+ debrief

Bloomberg: Russia says Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is coming to Beijing for a meeting to discuss Afghanistan on March 31. During that meeting, will there be an opportunity to discuss the situation in Ukraine? And will that be an opportunity for China to push for a ceasefire and protection of civilians in Ukraine?

Wang Wenbin: We are speeding up preparations for the third Foreign Ministers' Meeting among the Neighboring Countries of Afghanistan. China will continue to leverage its strength as a neighbor of Afghanistan and contribute to its lasting peace and stability. More information about the meeting will be released in due course. 

CRI: On March 24, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi paid a visit to Afghanistan. Could you tell us more about that?

Wang Wenbin: Yesterday, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi paid a visit to Afghanistan, during which he held talks with Acting Deputy Prime Minister Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar and Acting Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi of the Afghan interim government....

by Cat on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 08:55:49 PM EST
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[linked article is dead, likely censored by the Western alliance]

Will Biden goad NATO into Ukraine conflict and Turkey won't give up S-400s

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 08:58:14 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 08:59:01 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 08:59:54 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 10:38:07 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 09:01:17 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2022 at 09:02:06 PM EST

Ukraine and Russia explore neutrality plan in peace talks | FT - Mar 16, 2022 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 02:17:50 PM EST
'Nothing can be done' about placing sanctions on Russia: Turkey's Erdogan

"Firstly, I cannot leave my people to freeze in the winter, and secondly, I cannot completely reboot this industry of ours," Erdogan said

Turkey will not join sanctions against Russia -- Erdogan

Turkey's Opposition to Russian Sanctions Stokes Suspicions of Sanctions-Busting  | VOA News - March 14, 2022 |

Ankara insists it abides by its international legal responsibilities. But analyst Atilla Yesilada of Global Source Partners said it's not the first time Turkey has been suspected of international sanctions-busting.

"A lot of people [hoped] that Turkey would become a proxy financial center or intermediary for Russia," Yesilada said. "I wouldn't put it past the current regime to try to repeat the Reza Zarrab incident - 40 billion dollars of money whitewashed to Iran."

Reza Zarrab is a Turkish-Iranian businessman who pleaded guilty in 2017 in a New York court to massive charges of violating sanctions against Iran. A senior executive of the Turkish state-owned Halkbank was also convicted. Halkbank itself is facing trial as part of the same investigation.

Turkish private and state banks are also likely to face scrutiny and severe penalties for violating Russian sanctions, said analyst Yesilada. He warned that sanctions-busting is highly risky, especially as any penalties could affect Turkey's ability to borrow from international markets.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 02:19:04 PM EST

Biden, Sanctions and Republican Foreign Policy

Finally, how Turkey worked with Iran to circumvent US sanctions ... a plot well known for many years ... Dubai UAE at the center, of course!  A plea deal that may touch Robert Mueller's investigation of Michael Flynn and his counterparts in Turkey. Erdogan must be furious! Recently NATO declared war on Turkey in an exercise in Norway ...

Coup-proofing? Making Sense of Turkey's S-400 Decision | CSIS - July 15, 2019 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 02:20:04 PM EST
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Historic Gold Agreements, radically abridged 3,500-year precious metal "accounting"
The fourth Central Bank Gold Agreement
Banque Nationale de Belgique,
Deutsche Bundesbank,
Eesti Pank,
Central Bank of Ireland,
Bank of Greece,
Banco de España,
Banque de France,
Banca d'Italia,
Central Bank of Cyprus,
Latvijas Banka,
Banque centrale du Luxembourg,
Central Bank of Malta,
De Nederlandsche Bank,
Oesterreichische Nationalbank,
Banco de Portugal,
Banka Slovenije,
Národná banka Slovenska,
Suomen Pankki,
Sveriges Riksbank,
Swiss National Bank
post-modern hagiography,
supply chain discipline
The gold market comprises a broad range of participants that includes physical players such as producers, refiners, fabricators, and end-users.
and value chain discipline
Financial intermediaries, such as banks, provide an important function in offering financing, providing trading liquidity and offering broader services (e.g. selling of gold bars of consignment). Other important ["]players["] in the wholesale gold market include official institutions and different types of investor.
parity watch (x= 1 ounce)
XAU:*, XAG:*, XPT:*, XPD:*
Investopedia | 10 Countries With The Most Natural Resources, 2021
REUTERS | UK's ["tin" pot "silver" PM] Johnson says there is evidence Russia trying to get round ["World" Gold Council] sanctions using gold, 24 Mar
EXPLAINER: How the US and allies can freeze Russian gold, 24 Mar, syndicated (EN) fallacy
archived das monde on Sun Jun 1st, 2014, axiology, value systems at NATO frontiers
by Cat on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 04:10:48 PM EST
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Dubai is a most reliable "piracy and contraband" partner for Russia and gold washing 😁

The golden triangle with Suriname and Switzerland

Dubai Souks and Gold Mining In Suriname

A United Arab Emirates (UAE)-based international gold refinery has established a branch that launders money for criminal and terrorist groups alike in the small "criminalized" South American country of Suriname, according to a national security think tank.

In a recently released report, the Center for a Secure Free Society (SFS) describes Suriname a "criminalized state".

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Mar 25th, 2022 at 07:49:56 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Mar 28th, 2022 at 10:59:07 PM EST

After defeat, there is a tomorrow even after Russian imprisonment ... timely commemoration huh? The Crimean peninsula was already a done deal.

Osman Nuri Paşa -- Ottoman general

During the Russo-Turkish War, after the Russians crossed the Danube in July 1877, Osman entrenched himself at Plevna, on the right flank of the Russian line of communications, and maintained his position until December 9, when, compelled to cut his way out, he was wounded and forced to capitulate. This famous defense earned him the title of gazi ("victor in the holy war"), and, after his return from imprisonment in Russia, he was appointed marshal of the sultan's court. Later Osman served as war minister on four occasions.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Apr 6th, 2022 at 10:30:26 AM EST

Ned Price Press Briefing #Turkey - April 13, 2022

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Apr 18th, 2022 at 07:48:32 PM EST

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Apr 23rd, 2022 at 08:18:33 PM EST
by Oui (Oui) on Sat Apr 23rd, 2022 at 08:19:40 PM EST
US says F-16 sale to Turkey serves NATO interests in letter to Congress | Hürriyet Daily News |

The United States administration has underlined in a letter to the Congress that the potential sale of F-16 fighter jets to Turkey would serve both U.S. and NATO security interests, particularly in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

"The Administration believes that there are nonetheless compelling long-term NATO alliance unity and capability interests, as well as U.S. national security, economic and commercial interests that are supported by appropriate U.S. defense trade ties with Turkey," read a letter sent by Naz Durakoglu, the State Department's top official for legislative affairs to Congressman Frank Pallone, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

According to the reports, the letter was sent to Pallone on March 17 as a reply to a correspondence by Pallone's office on Febr. 4 that urged the Biden administration not to supply Turkey with the F-16 jets and modernization kits due to its deployment of S-400s and human rights violations.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Apr 23rd, 2022 at 08:20:40 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Apr 23rd, 2022 at 08:21:47 PM EST

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