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The Roots of Biden's War in Ukraine Reviewed

by Oui Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 11:56:09 AM EST

Interesting my post one week after the Maidan massacre and the violent coup d'état in Kyiv ... Nuland and Pyatt "fuck the EU." How well VP Joe Biden succeeded.

Gerd Willars
Unsere Freunde können jetzt endlich ihr überteuerertes Frackinggas verkaufen. Sonst hätte es am Weltmarkt keine Chance. Aber Deutschland kauft. Dagegen sind die paar Mrd. für Krieg nur Peanuts. Menschenleben habe für die Amerikaner nie eine Rolle gespielt. #stratfor #nuland


Testing Huntington in Ukraine (4.00 / 5)

"My own guess is that Hungtington's theory is roughly correct, and that the reasons for the current turmoil and god forbid imminent war in Ukraine (something along the lines of Syria) are ultimately due to the country sitting along the cultural fault-line in that country in a world driven more and more by "civilizational" forces rather than national or ideological forces."

The damage done by Islamophobes in Europe, Middle East and the US is immense. These groups claim to be 'believers' in the Clash of Civilization, but is false and pushing forward their own agenda. The exploitation of Huntington's thesis in a world where people searching for their identity, ethnicity and cultural history.

Many conflicts are sourced in the aftermath of WWI and the artificial borders drawn by old-colonial powers. See Iraq and Syria after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the Crimean peninsula was transfered to the Soviet Union. We still see a Cold War policy playing out in Eastern Europe: Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo and now in the Ukraine. The revolutions in Kosovo, Libya and Ukraine are part of a proxy war between handful Western nations and Russia, pushing the frontier deep into the heart of the old Soviet empire. Strategic interests in gas pipelines also play a role.

Look at the history of the Crimean and what has passed since Communism took hold in the Soviet Union. Handing the Crimea to the Ukraine was a 'gift' by Nikita Khrushchev in 1954 due to a 300 year-old anniversary. A similar 'gift' was by Stalin, handing Abkhazia and Ossetia to the republic of Georgia.

In the end, it's ethnicity, religion and cultural ties that will result in a nationalist movement for independence. The violent overthrow of the Yanukovich regime was not one that will unite, but will divide the people of the Ukraine into three federal states.

The Neocons and 'rolling back Russian imperialism' | OpinioJuris - Aug. 24, 2008 |.

See my earlier post - Nazi Collaboration by Banderists in East Galicia

and diary - Ukraine's Holodomor of 1933 and the Maidan Revolution.

by Oui on Sat Mar 1st, 2014

Less than in a fortnight ...

Russian forces via green men occupied the Crimean peninsula | BBC News - March 11, 2014 |

This present diary was triggered by today's comment by Cat Slava Ukraini!.

Threading a bit deeper into Ukraine's dark past as an independent nation.

Translation:
💬 Jarosław #Sellin (@kultura_gov_pl) in #StudioPAP: Ignorance of knowledge about the UPA is real among Ukrainians. We make it clear that we must rebuild our common historical sensitivity to the truth.

Unipolar Power: Rise of American Imperialism | April 2004 |

Russia's war offers chance for Poland and Ukraine to reconcile over WWII massacre, says Polish PM | July 12, 2022 |

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

Nice these two countries are growing closer with their fascist past. @shoah

Key words | revisionism | common history | empires | vengeance | amnesia | Jewish progroms | Orthodoxy |

Reading a bit on I came across this excellent post in a diary here @EuroTrib in a calamity year 2008.

Two narratives that lead to different worlds

by geezer in Paris Sun Jun 1st, 2008

As the hard corners of reality finally begin to dig into the well-padded bottoms of the pronouncing class as well as the leaner tushes of the working class, the need to trot out and spruce up the story emerges. Here's a couple little short stories from two different universes

The marvel here, for me, is the tenacity with which one story edits. No great insights here-just a remarkable juxtaposition I read today that struck me.

The European Right's Powerful Push
By Arielle Thedrel | Le Figaro | Monday 05 May 2008

Does Boris Johnson's victory in the London mayoral contest portend a Tory victory in the British legislative elections that must take place between now and 2010?

Regardless, it tallies with European electorate's' more general movement to the right. In London, as in Italy, the right has just resumed power. It was already in control in Germany, the Netherlands, and, in Scandinavian countries, of Denmark, and also of Sweden, long presented as a bastion of social democracy. This shift to the right also holds for Eastern Europe. Conservative or [neo]Liberal parties have been elected in Warsaw, Prague, the Baltic countries, Bucharest. They have the wind in their sails in Hungary, where the left in power is in its death throes as the 2010 legislative elections approach.

Virtually alone, Spain seems to resist. However, José Luis Zapatero's election owes much to the tactical errors committed by his right wing rivals during the March elections, as well as to their anachronistic takes on social issues.

So the phenomenon is as extensive as it is spectacular and the wear and tear of being in power - which obtains most notably for Great Britain, governed by Labor since 1997 - does not suffice to explain it. "In the background," emphasizes Georges Mink, Research Director at ISP-CNRS, "there are enormous economic and social changes, the wilting of ideological certainties and - since the fall of the Berlin Wall - the appearance of new threats such as immigration."

Read more ...

Quite fortunate, I found the original article in Le Figaro on the Internet 😄

L'irrésistible poussée de la droite en Europe | Publié le 06/05/2008 |

Johnson snatches Tories' biggest prize | The Guardian - May 3, 2008 |

Boris Johnson last night notched up the Tories' greatest electoral success since John Major's surprise victory in the 1992 general election when he unseated Ken Livingstone as mayor of London.

Ecstatic Conservatives cheered at London's City Hall, at the end of a count lasting more than 15 hours, as the man who had been dismissed as the Bertie Wooster of British politics took charge of one of the biggest political offices in Britain.

    Johnson won just over 1m first preference votes to secure 42.48%; Ken Livingstone came second with 893,877 first preference votes (36.38%).

Johnson, who was declared the winner shortly before midnight, reassured London that he would do his best to maintain his new serious image. "I was elected as new Boris and I will govern as new Boris, or whatever the phrase is," he joked this morning in a pun on Tony Blair's famous New Labour declaration. David Cameron quickly hailed the result, and there was even a congratulatory phone call from Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York.

The year 2008 was a turning point in European politics, not only due to the banking and financial crisis, just as 2014 was. Revolutionary years that changed politics. Both years too mark decisions by NATO that would ultimately lead to a war in Europe in 2022.

Came across this analysis on EuroTrib

Ireland and a history of neutrality in NATO's Cold War with Russia | Feb. 2009 |

Related reading ...

Unipolar Power: Rise of American Imperialism | April 2004 |

In the timeline of NATO's persistent aggression against Russia and Putin, this was written shortly after the infamous NATO Bucharest Summit where further expansion was decided in the "Open Door Policy" was adopted. Georgia and Ukraine were the next targets of deception and blunt attack on Russia's sphere of influence in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. The New American Century of a hegemon with no bounds after the fall of Communism and more important the opportunity afforded by the 9/11 attacks and digital age of Big Tech to build a totalitarian state. Cracks are finally showing with the Trump presidency and the January 6th attempted coup.

Waiting for the second Trump revival in US Congress this fall and his 2nd term in 2024. Europe has no notion of binding the continent to a very militaristic foreign policy not seen for a hundred years.  

Listen to the wise words of the most evil VP America ever brought forth ... good/bad/evil/worse/worst into the grey area of fascism in America. Reaping what you sow, ever in your very own Wyoming.

Liz Cheney concession speech here.

As has been written by me and many others, rightwing extremism has been boyed by the Goldwater republicans from defeat in 1964 (got Hillary Clinton support) to a long strategy and big bucks into the Reagan presidency followed by a great boost during George Busch "the lesser" with culmination by Donald Trump nudged into power with appreciation to the international Arab-Israeli alliance and major funding of corporate interest groups from Koch brothers to the special interests Mercer and Adelson billions.

From terror designation of Islam, Islamophobia evolved info xenophobia (Middle East upheaval) and the last decade into Russophobia for the good of Neocons. RussiaGate was in fact IntelliGate.

Poland's war narrative on Germany and France

Poland says Berlin and Paris running EU as an 'oligarchy'

Bending over backwards to accompany rightwing extremists in former Soviet occupied states after WW2. The real definition of Munich 1938 in today's world of an explosive war on the Eastern front of Europe.

EU slams Hungary and Poland over democratic standards | DW News - Sept. 30, 2020 |

European Union's Top Court Rules Against Hungary and Poland in Rule of Law Showdown | Feb. 22, 2022 |

In Europe, a long-anticipated showdown over rule of law backsliding in Poland and Hungary reached a critical milestone today. The European Court of Justice rejected the two countries' objections to a 2020 regulation that allows the European Union to cut some member state funding based on rule of law performance. 

[Update-1] The Kyiv Regime Uncensored

BIden: the goal of NATO military support and broad financial assistance to Ukraine is to spark regime change or at least the the removal from power of Russia’s popular, if authoritarian president, Vladimir Putin

Gordon M. Hahn: Ukraine Over the Edge: Russia, the West and the “New Cold War” | Book Review - 2020 |

The author aimed the beginning of his book especially at the Russian approach towards international policy for the Eurasian region. He uses scientific studies of traditional writers and experts of international relations theories and security from both the West and the East such as H. F. Mackinder, Z. Brzezinski, A. Dugin or N. Savitskii. Hahn recognises Russian fear of the West (especially based on the Western post-Cold War military interventions) as the main motivation for opposition. In general, Vladimir Putin is described as a pragmatic Russian leader who has changed Russian public wishes (in the field of the international policy) to reality. He has done it in the context of Eurasianism, based on rational thinking instead of any ideology.

Huntington’s missing conflict potential between pro-Russian and pro-Western elements inside the Ukraine of the 1990s is described, too. Deeper examination of Ukraine’s history includes the ancient connection between Ukrainians and Russians, first misunderstanding of Ukrainians and Jews or Ukrainians and Poles (for instance the Great revolt led by Bohdan Khmelnytsky) and of course, the conflict of Galicia.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 01:21:39 PM EST


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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 05:12:33 PM EST

Didn't take long, beyond knocking a reporter to the ground, simple censorship on home turf is pretty nice.

Florida's social media free speech law has been blocked for likely violating free speech laws

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 05:13:33 PM EST

Stop the DeSantis Censorship and Surveillance State Agenda

Fla. Dep't of Education rejects 54 math textbooks; Gov. DeSantis points to "indoctrination" | Florida Politics - Feb. 7, 2022 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 05:14:35 PM EST
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Pretty close to book burning ...



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 05:15:17 PM EST
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Never ever believed a "quality" newspaper would write such a complete, complete bullshit story ...

Western failure as the Pentagon estimate and intelligence community had calculated economic sanctions on Russia would sink it in a financial failure in a matter of weeks. Just as with Afghanistan in 1979, the intention was to mortally wound the Kremlin and Putin. Wishing the Russian leader all awful diseases, perhaps a kind assassination, but for sure a military coup to finish off Vladimir Putin.

This type of disinformation is usually published when failure is imminent and mirrors one's very own shortcomings..

Once again putting blame on European allies Germany and France who were intend to prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Reminds me of the lies in 2002/2003 to begin an illegal war in Iraq. Then too, Joe Biden was a vigorous war hawk.

This also shows a breaking of the so-called unity in NATO made under duress. Still very important the position of Turkey whether the White House manages to keep Erdogan on board.

We have seen the most staunch war supporters in London, Warsaw and Vilnius. Already today the Polish FM pushed the identical narrative. Both Paris and Berlin should not stay silent. Unfortunately Germany has a fragile coalition where the economic problems are insurmountable. How does one persuade the German people the coming hardship is to preserve freedom. ‼️ What a bull. Biden is pushing forward Trump's trade war against China and had some unfinished business with Putin's intransigence in Crimea (2014) and one year later in Syria (2015). Biden on a two decade losing streak.

Joe kept his promise not to have American boots on the ground in a new war. Exactly! Ukrainians are dying in America's proxy war. The financial costs will be charged to the EU in Brussels. Joe Biden knew for sure back in October, as the strategy was developed, that NATO members would not succeed to compromise or even do any serious talks and negotiations in Moscow. Both Biden and Johnson would veto such an effort. Complete isolation of Russia was the weapon of choice and some of the most severe sanctions ever designed.

With the Taiwan issue pursued by America's crack lawmakers, this sealed a close alliance between Moscow and Beijing. NATO lost Afghanistan to the Taliban and the US lost its foothold in Central Asia. Two decades of war and losses for nothing. The graveyard of empires turns time back to the Middle Ages.

Earlier articles on CIA's Operation Mockingbird.

The Deep State and Lisa Pease's Contribution

... and an amazing effort by Boston Joe @BooMan

Exceptional Amnesia: A List of U.S. Actions Since WWII | July 2006 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 17th, 2022 at 07:55:45 PM EST
No one told Volodymyr it was going to be hard and last for months, not weeks. The cakewalk turned out into a complete disaster.

Translation:
Zelensky has faced a wave of criticism in Ukraine after an interview in which he said he received "grim warnings" from the US last fall about the threat of war from Russia, but did not make them public.

He didn't need to, the warnings were all over the Internet for non-censured nations to view. 😂 the downside of an authoritarian state.

Unfortunately real life is not play acting. To start a war is quite easy in comparison to ending war. The harm done is irreparable and hate feeds emotions for decades to come. Stupidity reigns for serving self-interest of states, not "We The People."

Afghanistan - Iraq - Libya - Syria - Ukraine ... none ended well.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 07:58:29 AM EST
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b @MofA is mistaken on location

The nuclear plant is located in the city of Enerhodar ... oblast Zaporizhzhia

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by Oui (Oui) on Sat Aug 20th, 2022 at 04:45:44 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 07:14:51 PM EST
Poland nominates Sikorski to replace Ashton | EurActiv - May 30, 2014 |

Poland has confirmed that it will nominate its Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski to replace Catherine Ashton as EU foreign policy chief. Mr Sikorski would be a "natural candidate". 

"I will say it openly: Poland has gained such significant influence in foreign policy, that the so-called high representative would be within the scope of our interests" he said.

Polish foreign minister since 2007, he has been an outspoken critic of Russian foreign policy.

The 51 year old Sikorski has helped drive a hardline stance on the Ukraine crisis and called for a more robust European response to Russian military intervention in Georgia and Ukraine.

More about Radoslaw Sikorski in another thread ...

Arms Delivery for America's Forever Wars

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 07:19:24 PM EST
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Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware, digital researchers say | AP News - Dec. 20, 2021 |

The aggressive cellphone break-ins of a high-profile lawyer representing top Polish opposition figures came in the final weeks of pivotal 2019 parliamentary elections. Two years later, a prosecutor challenging attempts by the populist right-wing government to purge the judiciary had her smartphone hacked.

In both instances, the invader was military-grade spyware from NSO Group, the Israeli hack-for-hire firm that the US government recently blacklisted, say digital sleuths of the University of Toronto-based Citizen Lab internet watchdog.

A Polish state security spokesman, Stanislaw Zaryn, would neither confirm nor deny whether the government ordered the hacks or is an NSO customer.

Lawyer Roman Giertych and prosecutor Ewa Wrzosek join a list of government critics worldwide whose phones have been hacked using the company's Pegasus product.

In 2019, the independent Polish broadcaster TVN found evidence that a government anti-corruption agency had spent over $ 8 million on spyware for phones. The agency denied the report, but Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki was more ambiguous, saying that everything "will be clarified in due course".

In the last four months of 2019, Giertych was hacked at least 18 times, according to Citizen Lab. At that time, he represented former Prime Minister Donald Tusk of the Civic Platform, currently the head of the largest opposition party, and former Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, now a Member of the European Parliament.

Europe's PegasusGate -- Countering Spyware Abuse | July 2022 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 07:23:27 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 08:56:40 PM EST
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Blinken and NATO: Let's Talk Belarus, Russia and Ukraine

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken ahead of meetings of NATO Foreign Ministers, Riga

Unity is most important, no initiative to prevent a war with Russia. Negotiation is not an option. If the EU and Old Europe won't comply, the US Treasury has means to enforce our will.

After decades of NATO Aggression ...

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by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 08:58:18 PM EST
Press statements NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Germany, Annalena Baerbock | Dec. 9, 2021 |

Minister Baerbock, dear Annalena,


Welcome to NATO. It is great to see you again. 
It is great to have you here on the second day of your office as the new foreign minister of Germany.  Congratulations so much on your appointment.

I really look forward to working with you. Germany is a highly valued and very important Ally. Your visit today, just one day after taking office, is a clear sign of Germany's leading role in transatlantic security. 

I strongly welcome the clear commitment of the new government to NATO as the indispensable foundation of Germany's security. NATO needs a strong Germany, both politically and militarily. And your contributions really makes a difference for the Alliance and it helps to keep peace in Europe. 

  • Including German contributions to air and maritime deployments.
  • Your leadership of NATO's multinational battlegroup in Lithuania.
  • And your support for our peace-keeping mission in Kosovo.
  • Germany is also a strong voice advancing NATO's arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation agenda. 

  • Germany's contributions to our shared security matters even more now, as we face increasingly complex challenges. Including Russia's military build-up in and around Ukraine.

    I welcome Germany's long-standing work in the Normandy format, to promote a peaceful solution to the conflict. 

    And I welcome President Biden's engagement with President Putin earlier this week

    Any future Russian aggression against Ukraine will be met with a strong response. And will have serious political and economic consequences for Russia.

    In December Ukraine was in talks with Russia to extend the 2019 gas transit-deal into a long-term contract with Gazprom for the transit of gas destined for Europe.

    The Russian security proposals were set aside as a non-starter. Remarkable for the European Union not to react to Russian proposals except by referring to the answer given by NATO Jens Stoltenberg.

    Biden and Putin exchange warnings during phone call amid rising Ukraine tensions | The Guardian - Dec. 30, 2021 |

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    by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 09:02:25 PM EST
    The Return of US Leadership in Europe: Biden and the Russia Crisis | IAI - Feb. 2, 2022 |

    The Biden administration's communication strategy is aimed at persuading European allies to close ranks while also preventing the Russian government from taking advantage of an information grey zone to spread fake news and foment confusion and divisions. In spite of Russia's insistence that it has no hostile intentions, there is little doubt that the risk of a renewed Russian intervention in Ukraine is higher than it has ever been since the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

    Diplomatic response

    The Biden administration has rejected Russia's demands for - amongst other things - a written guarantee that NATO will not expand to include other former Soviet republics and massively reduce (actually, remove) its military deployments in central and Eastern Europe (else, Moscow has threatened unspecific "technical-military" actions).



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    by Oui (Oui) on Thu Aug 18th, 2022 at 09:05:06 PM EST

    Translation:
    I extend my sincerest best wishes to Polish friends, allies, sisters and brothers on the occasion of the Polish Army Day!
    Only together can we effectively defend the freedom and sovereignty of our countries for future generations. Together we are stronger!
    Glory to Poland! Glory to Ukraine!


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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:00:39 AM EST


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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:02:01 AM EST
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    More arms ...



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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:02:48 AM EST
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    Nice Equipment ... Readiness to defend freedom!

    @FortressEurope

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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:04:10 AM EST
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    We have come a long way from installing a missile defense in Romania to intercept those Islamic ballistic rockets from the crazy Mullahs in Iran.

    Dep. Secr. Work Helps to Inaugurate Ballistic Missile Defense Site in Romania | Mil. Defense - May 12, 2016 |

    "As long as Iran continues to develop and deploy ballistic missiles, the United States will work with our allies and partners to defend NATO and its allies against this threat."

    Today ...

    NATO Shows Off Missile Base In Romania, Calling It 'Purely Defensive' | RFERL - Dec. 25, 2019 |

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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:05:15 AM EST
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    by Cat on Sat Aug 20th, 2022 at 04:48:51 PM EST
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    UK Parliament Select Committee on Defence Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence (2003) [Abbreviated version - Oui]

    BASIC welcomes the Committee's further inquiry into missile defence, its call for written submissions and its restatement of the desirability for an informed public and parliamentary debate on this issue. Missile defences became a prominent area of research for BASIC about three years ago, and since then we have been regularly disseminating materials on US developments on the issue to European government officials, the media, and the general public.

    BASIC also notes that the Ministry of Defence initiated this latest debate with its publication "Missile Defence: a public discussion paper" on 9 December 2002. The MoD has asked that views and opinions in response to this document be forwarded to the Policy Director.

    Recent Developments in Missile Defence

    Since the US Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, dropped the reference to "national" in what the Clinton administration termed National Missile Defence, the possibility of expanding the missile defense system to protect "friends and allies" has been repeatedly mooted. The use of European radar bases at Thule in Greenland and Fylingdales in Yorkshire has long been a high priority for US missile defence planners. However, with the Bush administration promising to have a system in place by 2004, and the hawks firmly in control of policy formulation, the United States is contemplating a greater level of allied involvement. The path was further smoothed by US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty (in December 2001) and considerable increases in spending on US missile defence research and development in 2002.

    Among the range of options being considered is the stationing of interceptors in one or more central European countries, an idea first put forward by House Republican and missile defence advocate Curt Weldon, R--Penn., in February 2001. The Pentagon is also interested in using European ship borne radar technology, particularly that deployed on Britain's upcoming Type-45 Frigates, to detect missile launches. In order to garner allied support for its plans, Washington is also promising greater involvement for European defence contractors in the development of the required technologies.

    The issue of missile defence was reintroduced into the public arena on 14 October 2002 with the announcement from the US Missile Defense Agency of a successfully completed flight test of the ground-based midcourse defence (GMD) programme. The press release stated that the Department of Defense "will continue to pursue this testing regime to achieve a layered approach to missile defence."[61] At the same time the US Congress appropriated $7.4 billion for work during fiscal year 2003 on missile defence programmes.

    During the summer 2002, representatives of the Bush Administration visited European capitals to promote the concept of missile defence and encourage active support and participation in the project. During the summer 2002, representatives of the Bush Administration visited European capitals to promote the concept of missile defence and encourage active support and participation in the project. John Bolton, US Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security put the case bluntly to a Royal United Services Institute conference on 18 November: "It is no longer a question of whether missile defence will be implemented and time is running out for allies to climb on board".

    A NATO communique« was released during the Prague Summit on 22 November 2002, which indicated that Member States had agreed to initiate a new NATO Missile Defence feasibility study and conduct further research into the desirability of pursuing missile defence research and development. Collaborative work was already underway as detailed in a July press release from European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) following the signing of a research and co-operative agreement with Boeing [a major missile defence contractor in the US]: "The transatlantic team effort will focus on creating end-to-end products for global ballistic defence.



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    by Oui (Oui) on Fri Aug 19th, 2022 at 09:13:16 AM EST
    Three of the four hits on Google links to EuroTrib quotation in a comment ... hmmm 🤨 .

    The other is most likely the first source - War In Ukraine, Day 43

    Here the full "quotation" from Medvedev, yet still not in context.

    Russia continues shocking statements. Medvedev: "We want the opportunity to build a Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok"

    Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and former prime minister and current deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, says Russia's goal in a month-and-a-half-long bloody war against Ukraine is "the opportunity to build an open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok".

    Medvedev made the shocking statement in a post on his Telegram account. He also said that Putin had "firmly set the goal of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine", echoing the Kremlin's ridiculous rhetoric that the leadership of the Ukrainian state is "Nazi".

      "The most important goal is to change the bloody and mythical conscience of some of today's Ukrainians. The goal is peace for future generations of Ukrainians and the opportunity to build an open Eurasia, from Lisbon to Vladivostok," the Russian PM said.

    Pentagon spokesperson: Ukraine can win the war

    Asked in a press briefing if the U.S. goal is strategic defeat of Russia, Pentagon spokesperson, John F. Kirby said that "U.S. goal is to make sure that Ukraine can continue to defend itself as they continue to work on a on a diplomatic solution here. And then the secondary goal is to make sure that we can bolster NATO's Eastern Flank so that we can deter any aggression, any potential aggression by Russia and by Mr. Putin."

    In context the full quote from an website in Azerbaijan as other sources with .ru suffix were blocked.

    «Построить открытую Евразию от Лиссабона до Владивостока»: Медведев назвал «важнейшую цель» России

    "To build an open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok": Medvedev named Russia's "most important goal"

    The most important goal of Russia's "military operation" in Ukraine, which is being decided outside the battlefields, is to change the "bloody and full of false myths" consciousness of some Ukrainians for the peace of future generations and the possibility of building an open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok, said Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev in your Telegram channel.

    According to Medvedev, the goals of "demilitarization" and "denazification" of Ukraine, which were set by Russian President Vladimir Putin, are not fulfilled at once and will not be solved "only on the battlefields," writes RBC.

    "To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of a part of today's Ukrainians is the most important goal. The goal is for the sake of the peace of future generations of Ukrainians themselves and the opportunity to finally build an open Eurasia - from Lisbon to Vladivostok, "Medvedev wrote.



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    by Oui (Oui) on Sun Aug 21st, 2022 at 07:16:30 PM EST
    Very seldom a commenter hits close to home and is worthwhile to share ...

    Re: yenwoda @ 122

    Upon re-reading your initial post to which I responded, I can admit that I read more cruelty into your comments than you stated or implied. I'm usually more careful. So, apologies for that.

    Otherwise, your anti-war stance is suspect, and your gaze should be more inwardly directed as an American. Your rather short adumbration of Western influence in Ukraine purposefully avoids most of the evidence of US and European manipulation. You also avoid what I consider to be the elephant in the room - NATO expansion eastward after agreeing not to expand eastward. This was explicitly agreed to at the highest level of diplomacy, and this was an explicitly stated 'red line' for Russia. Whether or not NATO would have ever actually admitted Ukraine does not matter as NATO said (duplicitously in the words of McFaul) that they wanted to admit Ukraine from 2008 forward while training Ukrainian troops and including Ukrainian troops in many international endeavors (well beyond some innocent training in the Black Sea). The US also withdrew from treaties and moved to place missiles in the new Eastern European countries claiming that they were placed there to counter Iran (laughable). US/CIA connections in Ukraine run deep (since directly after WW2) and are part of US planning to destabilize and undermine both the USSR and Russia. As to the Association Agreement, the EU was also strongarming Ukraine and the terms of the Agreement included elements that were reasonably anathema to Yanukovich (who was legally elected with the support of the regions of Ukraine that identify as more Russian). Furthermore, in 2013, Yanukovich suggested an EU/Ukraine/Russian trade agreement which was summarily dismissed by the EU. The terms Russia offered were reasonably considered better for Ukraine and hardly legitimate reason for the government to be overthrown by violent means.

    Your list of examples Russian interference in Ukraine is timid in comparison to US meddling. First, Russia didn't embargo any products until after the overthrowing of Yanukovich which also deeply involved the United States. You may remember that Nuland and Pyatt discussed who they thought would be the best new President of Ukraine and said "fuck the EU" (a statement meant to denigrate and undermine the EU's attempts to solve the Maidan situation by allowing a new election later in 2014). My understanding is that Yanukovich was ousted via a process that did not follow Ukrainian law and did not follow the EU agreement to solve the crisis. This was all done with explicit US support which is similar to its manipulation of the election process in Russia which allowed Yeltsin to come to power in the 1990's.

    You mention the violation of treaties by Russia. Well, what about the violation of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine? You must have heard Poroshenko's statements about the Minsk agreements...is that not a violation? Did Ukraine allow the votes in the Donbass that Minsk required? The expansion of NATO violated the provisions of treaties in Europe which stated that the security of one nation should not come at the expense of other's security. The expansion of NATO, as mentioned earlier in the post, against the explicit agreement not to expand NATO is a violation of an agreement. The process by which Yanukovich was disposed of violated the provisions of the Ukrainian constitution.

    You mention the invasion and annexation of Crimea. First, Crimea voted for independence in the 1990's, and Ukraine annexed Crimea against its stated wishes for more independence. Second, there are multiple polls from reputable pollsters prior to 2014 in which Crimeans clearly state that they would rather be independent or Russian than Ukrainian and that they view themselves as Russian. You can ignore the Crimean referendum if you want (and I'll admit that there were not many legal observers to document the validity of the vote), but the fairly deep record of the actual beliefs of Crimeans supports the outcome of the referendum in 2014.

    You ask, "Can you really look at that history and say the US was the coercive empire here, and Russia was just forced to react?"

    My answer - Yes, I can.

    Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 22 2022 | 153

  • The US Government, the Ukraine and the truth | by ARGeezer on Apr 18th, 2014 |
  • Ukraine: Extremists Reject EU Deal, Demand Violent Overthrow | by Oui Fri Feb 21st, 2014 |


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    The Russian Intervention in Crimea: Erdogan's Dilemma | Carnegie - March 14, 2014 |

    When Catherine the Great Invaded the Crimea and Put the Rest of the World on Edge

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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 24th, 2022 at 05:24:49 AM EST
    Draghi heads a caretaker cabinet preparing new parliamentary elections in Italy on Sept. 25

    The naval base Sevastopol and Crimea will remain Russian. M.A.D. as option?

    As America's enduring wars cause more suffering and deaths, a round of mediation or negotiation is not on the horizon. Positions harder as can be expected after the outbreak of deadly war acts. Blood is a feeding ground of revenge and more troubling war crimes.

    Russia's Black Sea Fleet is stationed in Crimea under a lease agreement with Ukraine. On April 21, 2010, Moscow and Kiev signed a deal extending the lease on the fleet's base in Sevastopol for 25 years after the current lease expires in 2017.

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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 24th, 2022 at 09:34:56 AM EST

    You were betrayed by the West!

    Russia's belief in Nato 'betrayal' - and why it matters today | The Guardian - Jan. 17, 2022 |

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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 31st, 2022 at 10:26:02 AM EST
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    Ukraine: Gorbachev warns of escalating conflict

    6 okt. 2014  East-West relations are more strained than ever as a result of the Ukraine conflict. Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev warned of the consequences of an arms build-up in an exclusive interview with Swiss public television. 

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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 31st, 2022 at 10:32:54 AM EST
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    Russia - Gorbachev comments on NATO expansion - 21 July 2015

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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Aug 31st, 2022 at 10:33:51 AM EST
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    "In Russland ist so ziemlich alles schiefgelaufen, wovor schon im 19. Jahrhundert gewarnt wurde"

    Because of the Ukraine war, the West has recently imposed extensive sanctions on Russia. Russia is reacting to this by attempting import substitution under the direction of state planning. How promising do you think this strategy is? 

    Everything will depend on how long the West can endure the sanctions, which are painful for it too, and whether Russia is really isolated globally, or whether other structures based on the division of labor will gradually emerge. It would be fatal for the West if it had to bear the negative consequences of the sanctions while Russia found new buyers, suppliers and customers. The Russian goal of improving its productivity data with Western cooperation and financing this with the earnings from raw material exports has certainly ended up in a dead end. Another question is therefore whether the country can achieve the necessary productivity improvements elsewhere. However, it is probably too early to judge that. 

    How great do you assess the risk that Russia, under Putin's rule and the sanctions pressure from the West, will revert to a Soviet-style planned economy, despite all the negative experiences of the past? 

    I consider the danger to be very small, since the functional problems of the old Soviet economy have by no means been forgotten in Russia. If relevant circles there are indeed dreaming of the old Soviet Union, they should be aware that its demise was largely self-inflicted.



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    PM Magdalena Andersson concedes victory to right-wing opposition | DW News |

    Leader of the nationalist Sweden Democrats, Jimmie Akesson, declared victory and pledged to "put Sweden first."

    Coalition leader Ulf Kristersson of the conservative Moderates will become Prime Minister if the results are confirmed.

    Far-right to be part of governing coalition

    Never before have the Sweden Democrats, a party who relies on anti-immigration and nationalist rhetoric, been part of a government.

    The party has so far won more than 20 percent of ballots, becoming the second-biggest party behind outgoing Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson's Social Democrats, which have dominated Swedish politics since the 1930s.

    The Sweden Democrats are set to overtake the Moderates, having gained 20.6% of the vote compared to the coalition 19.1%.



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    by Oui (Oui) on Wed Sep 14th, 2022 at 06:44:59 PM EST
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    General Assembly of the United Nations
    Russian Federation H.E. Mr. Sergey Lavrov, Minister for Foreign Affairs

    the United States, declaring victory in the cold war, has behaved as if it has the sacred right to act with impunity whenever and wherever it wants.  Recalling the war of aggression -- in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya -- which claimed many hundreds of thousands of lives, he also asked:  "What is the outcome of the adventurism of the United States in the Middle East?  Has the human rights situation improved?  Is the rule of law better?  Has the socioeconomic situation stabilized?"  Pointing to the quest to spread NATO to the East and bring the military infrastructure to the borders of the Russian Federation, he warned that Washington, D.C., now has the goal of subjugating the Asian areas.  At the June NATO summit in Madrid -- under the slogan of Indo-Pacific Strategy -- it aimed to undermine what has been ASEAN policy for decades, namely open and regional architecture.  In addition, Washington, D.C. -- promising its military support -- is playing with fire around Taiwan.

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    No idea why Lavrov skipped Syria as extension of the Libyan adventure ...

    Today expansion of NATO into the Indo-Pacific as a security force for American imperialism and protection of global (Western) economic interests.



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